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Old 09-30-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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B.S.

The amount of Americans traveling to India, Thailand, Mexico, etc dwarfs whatever small services Europeans come here for....LOL
Uh huh -for procedures not approved by the US government. Mexico? Are you kidding?
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Old 09-30-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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In Europe they all have coverage but not all have available care.
Which is why thousands of French elderly died in a heat wave a few years back. Gotta love those 'enlightened' Europeans, huh?

http://www.globalaging.org/health/world/holocaust.htm
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Old 09-30-2010, 03:29 PM
 
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Which is why thousands of French elderly died in a heat wave a few years back. Gotta love those 'enlightened' Europeans, huh?
Except for the fact France has a higher longevity rates.

There went another of your right wing myths.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
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Old 09-30-2010, 03:33 PM
 
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Uh huh -for procedures not approved by the US government. Mexico? Are you kidding?
You're surprised people go to these countries because the can't afford back surgery, and knee and hip replacements?

It's because you are ignorant of this fact or you just wouldn't go yourself having insurance here?
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Old 09-30-2010, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Except for the fact France has a higher longevity rates.

There went another of your right wing myths.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Tell that to the poor old folks that roasted in nursing homes. As to longevity, here's a little something to ponder: More industry? More industrial accidents; more cars? More car accidents. More disposable income? More ATV's, and leisure-related deaths. More fat in your diet? More heart disease. Get the idea? And the five year survival rate for the most prevalent cancers are higher in the US than in Canada or Europe. There are more MRI machines in NYC than there are in Canada so we catch the disease earlier.
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Old 09-30-2010, 03:53 PM
 
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Oh yeah, McDonalds is the bad guy here. What will you say when other large and small employers declare the fine for not maintaining their plans as enough less than maintaining their present plans? Will that be the bad guys being the employers or maybe the Congress that failed to read the Andy Stern bill to see what was in it? I say the latter, for sure.

When health care premiums rise a low of 12% in the next year I don' think many employers are going to be able to keep up. Oh well, when those whose employers manage to keep paying for them start paying income taxes on the money spent by the employers maybe the government can keep us afloat.
Actually, McDonalds is a bad guy. One of the problems that employees here and at other fast food places have encountered is that they didn't qualify for any benefits unless they worked, I think it was 37 hours. So, what they would do is schedule people at 35 hours or 34 hours. So, these employees would pick up another full time job at another place, the only place that had enough flexibility for them to work another 35 hours. So, they are working 70 hours a week and it costs $80 to walk into a clinic, plus medication for whatever ill that you have. People were not able to see preventative care and they would have to wait until they were in so much pain that they wound up in the emergency room. Often, by that time it was too late. And these people were not making enough to pay the hospital bills. That was/is a problem.

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McDonalds is a fast food restaurant that employs part time school aged people, as does every other fast food restaurant. It is not typically a career path. If you are in a career path you would be in management/training which I am certain is full time with benefits. Their business model is not to avoid insurance for most of its employees, it is basic entry level part time work flipping burgers and running cash registers.
Was but not so much anymore. In fact, the ones that are having the most difficult time finding jobs are the young.

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The trend toward hiring older workers has been building for a decade. In the 1990s, 45 percent of McDonald's employees were teenagers. That dropped to 33 percent in 2007, a year in which the chain lowered its turnover rate by 9 percent. The trend toward hiring older, more stable workers continues.
McDonald's building careers | floridatoday.com | FLORIDA TODAY

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We always, always hire the undocumented workers,” he said. “It’s not just me, it’s everybody in the industry. First, they are willing to do the work. Second, they are willing to learn. Third, they are not paid as well. It’s an economic decision. It’s less expensive to hire an undocumented person.”
While many restaurants do comply with the law, according to government officials, labor economists say immigrants are highly appealing hires because they tend to be especially loyal, stable and dependable. They are also more likely than United States citizens to work for lower wages without health insurance, sick days or paid vacations and paid breaks.
ICE Cracks Down on Restaurants Employing Illegal Workers « The Washington Independent

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RENO, Nev. — Two executives and the corporate owner of 11 northern Nevada McDonald's restaurants pleaded guilty to felony immigration charges and agreed to pay $1 million in fines.


McDonald's Franchisee Fined $1M for Hiring Illegal Aliens - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com

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And I see nothing wrong with that what so ever.
The whole idea behind government enforced mandated coverage is to explode costs so employers that offer health insurance as a benefit will be tempted (if not forced) to drop coverage. That's what'll make everyone flock to government run (aka socialized, single-payer) health care. It's creeping socialism by stealth. Nothing more and nothing else.
Actually, the whole idea behind McDonalds and other restaurant/hotel places is to drive down wages by hiring undocumented workers and new immigrants so that they can be exploited. These are the people that back amnesty. This way they don't have to worry about those silly little fines AND that would be a "plot" to drive up costs. So, if your looking for a plot then start there. The whole idea behind mandated health care is for people to actually get health care. Because it is actually more costly when they don't receive it at all-as noted above.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Texas
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. Mexico? Are you kidding?

No. A lot of American's go to Mexico for inexpensive dental work.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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So corporations that supply jobs are not interested in providing health insurance.

McDonalds doesn't give a Mcsh1t about its employees!
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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No. A lot of American's go to Mexico for inexpensive dental work.
If you meant illegal aliens then that makes sense.
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Old 09-30-2010, 04:07 PM
 
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So corporations that supply jobs are not interested in providing health insurance.

McDonalds doesn't give a Mcsh1t about its employees!
Nobody is forcing you to work for them.
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