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Old 09-30-2010, 06:28 PM
 
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You forgot to include "Those not liable to pay for SocSec..."
They're the ones who aren't participants, nor persons liable for paying for that abomination.
You know speaking of which, my relatives that lived in Puerto Rico from 1898-1917 lived with that kind of freedom you are talking about. They were U.S. nationals from 1898-1917. Then Wilson signed the Jones Act that made us all citizens automatically, and of course liable for conscription and slaves to the government as a result
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:39 PM
 
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No not even close.

Private companies fail and go bankrupt. Their pensions are gone.

The government on the other hand never loses the ability to collect revenue as long as they have the ability to tax citizens.

What Western Country in modern history has lost the ability to tax it citizens??????

Not one.
So it FAILS... it cannot exist without increase in taxation and there ARE limits on taxation... that's why government's are overthrown... you got to look at it and think for more than a second... pensions are gone, already there are cuts in social security and extending the retirement age... there are limits on what you can do... increase taxes does NOT solve anything, it only PROLONGS the problem... are you a liberal? Must be...
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:44 PM
 
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It's funny that we have the Balkin Oil field in Montana, all thru the Northwest, sweet crude that the US could sell and pay off the debt and show a surplus but we can't Drill there.
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:44 PM
 
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So it FAILS... it cannot exist without increase in taxation and there ARE limits on taxation... that's why government's are overthrown... you got to look at it and think for more than a second...
Not in your wildest dreams will the USA be overthrown and even if that happened SS would be the least of your problems.

Stop bad mouthing a successful government program that has a efficient 1% overhead and keeps millions of the elderly out of poverty.

It has a small long term deficit that could by fixed by small tax increases on the wealthiest among us. The same amount as what Bush spent on the Senior Citizen Drug plan. A cost that nobody could care less about now.
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Not in your wildest dreams will the USA be overthrown and even if that happened SS would be the least of your problems.

Stop bad mouthing a successful government program that has a efficient 1% overhead and keeps millions of the elderly out of poverty.

It has a small long term deficit that could by fixed by small tax increases on the wealthiest among us. The same amount as what Bush spent on the Senior Citizen Drug plan. A cost that nobody could care less about now.
They've already targeted those rich folks to pay the Fed debt/deficit of over $1 Trillion.
Now who's left to cover SS..those same rich people ?
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:51 PM
 
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Aot of changes besides social security is coming with the deficit we have builtup.Hopefully it leads to a simpler and more broad based income tax system where fewer get loopholes or exemptions. Its been proposed in the senate already.It is a one page singlew forum with 29 lines that taxes you based on income purely with dedutions only for number.It wouold quickly end the deficit because of the amount owed but actually lower rates.Its just that your rate would be your rate.
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Old 09-30-2010, 06:54 PM
 
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They've already targeted those rich folks to pay the Fed debt/deficit of over $1 Trillion.
Now who's left to cover SS..those same rich people ?
Yes exactly. This wouldn't even phase them. Their tax burden would still be far far below the wealthy in other countries.

When will you stop with these right wing story lines and start sticking up for yourself?

Is this what you are hoping to do? Cut benefits for the young people in your family so Paris Hilton can fly a Gulfstream to parties in Europe?
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Old 09-30-2010, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Yes exactly. This wouldn't even phase them. Their tax burden would still be far far below the wealthy in other countries.

When will you stop with these right wing story lines and start sticking up for yourself?

Is this what you are hoping to do? Cut benefits for the young people in your family so Paris Hilton can fly a Gulfstream to parties in Europe?
And these are the same people we are going to target to help pay the cost of subsidized healthcare.

You are very gung ho to just tax those rich people to death. And you can keep hoping that Paris Hilton will pay taxes.

You are going after the Paris Hiltons..who will not pay those taxes.
Instead you are going after the "rich" right ? Well I am sticking up for myself although I've NEVER considered myself rich.
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Old 09-30-2010, 08:14 PM
 
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Not in your wildest dreams will the USA be overthrown and even if that happened SS would be the least of your problems.

Stop bad mouthing a successful government program that has a efficient 1% overhead and keeps millions of the elderly out of poverty.

It has a small long term deficit that could by fixed by small tax increases on the wealthiest among us. The same amount as what Bush spent on the Senior Citizen Drug plan. A cost that nobody could care less about now.

When you keep taxing the wealthy, guess what they leave and take their money with them. Just look at New York City, they tried and the wealthy are leaving same with Greece when the Government started to tax the wealthy, the wealthy got their money out of Greece then when it got worse the wealthy followed their money out of country. The problem is the wealthy can afford to leave, then those taxes fall on the next in line which is those who work but can't afford to leave the country.
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