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Old 11-16-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Um, myself and plenty of others have pointed out that, your selection bias aside, Genesis and the Bible as a whole have a horrible track record in regards to scientific accuracy. The plants weren't created before the stars.
"Let there be light" was before creation of plants, and the later mention of stars simply means the stars became visible on earth after the creation of plants. Any scientist would agree that is entirely possible that stars were not always visible due to vapor in the atmosphere. Early earth was probably a very steamy environment.

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Old 11-16-2013, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Even the "Big bang" theory postulates that the universe did not exist until the big explosion created it.
Wrong again. The "Big Bang" only tells us how the universe became as it is now. Not how it began.

As usual, you stand as the poster child for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

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Old 11-16-2013, 03:54 PM
 
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Lucy is not a fraud, ....
You see ... this is why an honest debate is impossible with you people ... Lucy was most certainly a fraud, with a Dr. Lovejoy ON VIDEO using power tools to grind the pelvis and hip joints to allow Lucy to walk upright.

Furthermore, with nothing at all to go on besides imagination (and the propensity to deceive, as most liberals can't stop themselves) Lucy was given human like feet and facial features by the so called "scientific" modelers to make this appear to be that "missing link".

And this was long ago exposed as a fraud, yet there you are, even now, insisting that it wasn't.

So I will not waste time with the rest of this tripe. When you are willing to be honest, let me know ... then I'll address your points.
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Old 11-16-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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"Let there be light" was before creation of plants, and the later mention of stars simply means the stars became visible on earth after the creation of plants.
Too bad that the sun and moon were created even later according to Genesis.

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Any scientist would agree that is entirely possible that stars were not always visible due to vapor in the atmosphere.
Sadly no. No scientist would agree with such an idiotic assertion. Especially since it requires the Bible to be talking about visible light instead of actual stars at a time when (according to the Bible) there was nothing that could have seen the stars yet anyway.

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Old 11-16-2013, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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You see ... this is why an honest debate is impossible with you people ... Lucy was most certainly a fraud, with a Dr. Lovejoy ON VIDEO using power tools to grind the pelvis and hip joints to allow Lucy to walk upright.
Only an individual completely ignorant of anatomy would hallucinate that such a thing was even possible. There are no modifications to a pelvis and hip joint that could be made via grinding that will turn a quadrupedal pelvis into a bipedal one. Further more, bipedality affects the entire skeleton from the foramen magnum to the toes. The entire skeleton is that of a bipedal hominid not just the hip joint.

Lucy was not a fraud. The fossil (along with those of several other members of the same species) is today what it was always represented to be. You simply don't know what you're talking about.

Again.

http://northstatescience.wordpress.c...ction-a-fraud/
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You see ... this is why an honest debate is impossible with you people ... Lucy was most certainly a fraud, with a Dr. Lovejoy ON VIDEO using power tools to grind the pelvis and hip joints to allow Lucy to walk upright.

Furthermore, with nothing at all to go on besides imagination (and the propensity to deceive, as most liberals can't stop themselves) Lucy was given human like feet and facial features by the so called "scientific" modelers to make this appear to be that "missing link".

And this was long ago exposed as a fraud, yet there you are, even now, insisting that it wasn't.

So I will not waste time with the rest of this tripe. When you are willing to be honest, let me know ... then I'll address your points.
It has never been exposed as a fraud...That is just a lie from AIG...One of many.

This is what Dr. Lovejoy did and why he did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QRSuKoBR_U
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Old 11-16-2013, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It has never been exposed as a fraud...That is just a lie from AIG...One of many.

This is what Dr. Lovejoy did and why he did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QRSuKoBR_U
Note in particular that he never touched the hip joint. The only joint in question was the sacroiliac, and the unmodified hip joint (along with the knees, vertebral column and foramen magnum) all speak unequivocally that the Australopithecines were bipedal.
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Old 11-16-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You see ... this is why an honest debate is impossible with you people ... Lucy was most certainly a fraud, with a Dr. Lovejoy ON VIDEO using power tools to grind the pelvis and hip joints to allow Lucy to walk upright.

Furthermore, with nothing at all to go on besides imagination (and the propensity to deceive, as most liberals can't stop themselves) Lucy was given human like feet and facial features by the so called "scientific" modelers to make this appear to be that "missing link".

And this was long ago exposed as a fraud, yet there you are, even now, insisting that it wasn't.

So I will not waste time with the rest of this tripe. When you are willing to be honest, let me know ... then I'll address your points.
When I am willing to be honest??? You have to be joking, because I'm not the only one laughing at you...

Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) continues to be a thorn in the side of the creationist paradigm. Creationists go to great lengths to discredit the discovery and its implications, which is not a problem as far as it goes, but the total lack of any kind of intellectual honesty used in doing so just emphasizes how much of a scientific and philosophical corner these people are backed into.

Creationist arguments have to be made by pimping the scientific data for the creationist cause: misquoting exports, cherry-picking information, ignoring information that doesn’t fit, using out-of-date information, and frequently just making stuff up! Correcting Creationists Redux…Was Lucy
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Lucy was a chimp.
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Old 11-16-2013, 06:41 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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I already did. That's why I brought it up. How did the author of Genesis know there hd been a time when earth was formless and void, that there were no plants, no animals and no people? How did he know the oceans, continents, atmosphere, plants, fish and other living creatures appeared in the same sequence as what modern day science says?
As I mentioned previously, they didn't get everything wrong. The things mentioned that are correct and not in conflict with natural law are not unexpected. Thus, not supernatural mumbo-jumbo. All the supernatural rambling about angels, miracles, and the dead returning to life - that's supernatural mumbo-jumbo. And the bible is full of it.
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