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Ok darwin and religions students assuming we came from apes we have no proof how life came to be. If we had a big bang THEORY how did that come about and I really don't think teascopes are now seeing is believing.
Guesses are not fact. If the bang was able to produce such energy and create our galaxies and billions of stars and planets we are we so sure we evolved from apes. Any reason we can't just be something and unquie. Seems to me we have chaos in the universe which is also orderly and designed.
The planets rotation, gavity, all animals, fish, and the universe. Christians don't like darwin because science destorys the bibles idea of creation. Science doesnt like god or religions ideas of creation because it doesn't use facts and figures. Both science and the bible's ideas come from MAN, Man wrote and ideas based on faith or science but are still mankinds failed attempts at putting the unknown into boxes.
Mankind has consistantly been wrong and we have no idea about the forces and energy that bind our univere together.
Mankind once thought the earth was made in 6 days, the world was once flat, the sun revolved around the earth. Everyone was a witch and need to be burned at the stake. Science still doesnt know if milk is good for you, eggs are bad for you, how much water you really should drink.
It comes to mankind is flawed in all its ideas and sometimes briliant ideas we still have much to learn assuming we make that long to learn anything.
I have to disagree with your views on Science....Scientific theories that we use in everyday life are as close to "factual" as mankind can achieve....Otherwise your computer and the internet would not be functioning! PLEASE read this link to understand what a theory really means>>>>> Was Darwin Wrong? @ National Geographic Magazine
Also Science says NOTHING about A God and/or Gods.....That is NOT within the realm of the Scientific Method; but a construct from within your own mind and emotions......Nowhere in Scientific Literature will you find mention of whether God does or does not exist....That is for Theologians and Philosophers NOT Scientists....PLEASE get your facts straight! And get off your computer since mankind knows nothing of how the Universe functions.
If you are going to cherry pick so will I. I don't believe the Bible is true, therefor I have no qualms in going against the words of Jesus, but how do you, as a Christian, justify going against the direct words of Jesus Christ, your Saviour?
When did I do that exactly?
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Also, I never claimed you rape or murder people. I merely stated that the book you said teaches good, moral values also teaches horrible, immoral values and that should not be overlooked out of convenience.
If one is not smart enough to take only the good, moral lessons from the bible, then I guess that's where "survival of the fittest" comes into play.
This is one of the major problems with the human race. Arguing, fighting, and the waging of so many wars over something that NONE OF US has the ANSWERS to.
And I have FAITH that we need to be kind to one another. I don't have much FAITH that it will happen, however.
When did you do what? If you are talking about cherry picking then look no further than the next sentence you wrote.
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If one is not smart enough to take only the good, moral lessons from the bible, then I guess that's where "survival of the fittest" comes into play.
I'm not exactly sure why you mentioned survival of the fittest. Was it an attempt at a witty rhetorical device?
However, if you are talking about disobeying the words of Jesus then here are a few examples:
Matthew 5:17-19
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
If you do not follow the law as laid out in the Old Testament you are going against the will of Jesus Christ and will be considered the least in heaven. Keep in mind there are over 600 laws in the Old Testament.
Matthew 5:39
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
If you resist evil you are going against the words of Jesus.
1 CORINTHIANS 14:34-35
let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.
If you believe women should be allowed to speak in church you are going against the words of Jesus.
Luke 14:33
In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.
Here Jesus states that you must give up everything you own to follow him. Do you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ? Do you own anything?
Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
You must hate yourself and your family to be a follower of Christ.
Jesus had something to say to all those who think they don't have to listen to him: John 6:60-64
On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe."
It almost sounds like he's speaking directly to you in this verse.
I only posted a few things here. There are many, many, many, many more, at least 600 if I decide to delve into the Old Testament. If you think you have a better moral compass than Jesus Christ just come out and say it. Christians surely won't judge you for saying it, that is, unless they also believe it's OK to go against his words (Matthew 7:1).
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Ok darwin and religions students assuming we came from apes we have no proof how life came to be. If we had a big bang THEORY how did that come about and I really don't think teascopes are now seeing is believing.
Guesses are not fact. If the bang was able to produce such energy and create our galaxies and billions of stars and planets we are we so sure we evolved from apes. Any reason we can't just be something and unquie. Seems to me we have chaos in the universe which is also orderly and designed.
The planets rotation, gavity, all animals, fish, and the universe. Christians don't like darwin because science destorys the bibles idea of creation. Science doesnt like god or religions ideas of creation because it doesn't use facts and figures. Both science and the bible's ideas come from MAN, Man wrote and ideas based on faith or science but are still mankinds failed attempts at putting the unknown into boxes.
Mankind has consistantly been wrong and we have no idea about the forces and energy that bind our univere together.
Mankind once thought the earth was made in 6 days, the world was once flat, the sun revolved around the earth. Everyone was a witch and need to be burned at the stake. Science still doesnt know if milk is good for you, eggs are bad for you, how much water you really should drink.
It comes to mankind is flawed in all its ideas and sometimes briliant ideas we still have much to learn assuming we make that long to learn anything.
Actually they have done DNA testing and our DNA does not cross with the apes. They are finding Neandertals DNA in modern humans though.
I am not an athiest. I don't believe that the beauty and complexity of the world is something that just happened. However, I do not believe that humans walked the earth with dinosaurs, that Adam and Eve were created in a day and that humans have never evolved. It takes millions of years for a mountain to form, common sense says that the earth was not created in seven 24-hour days. Things have changed and evolved in my life time, what is so far-fetched about evolution? There is proof of evolution.
As for religion, my relationship with God is just that, mine. I don't like anyone telling me how or where it shoud be. I have faith and know that my prayers have been answered but I do not judge anyone who doesn't share that faith. I have met many Athiests who were some of the nicest people. I have also met Christians who were straight up evil. I will never buy into the belief that simply accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and asking for fogiveness gets you a free ticket to heaven and doing the opposite automatically gets you one to hell. That's BS in my opinion and the God that I believe in would not punish a good person for not being Chrisitian or reward an evil person who says their Christian just for saying so. I trust in God. It's man that I have issues with.
I don't trust anything that advocates stupidity. I don't beleive that God intended for people to disregard reason and close their minds. The Bible says a lot of things, if we took it all literally, life would be a lot different. People have used religion as a way to distort the truth and further their own agenda for ages. It hasn't changed yet. This is why you won't find me in a church. Politicians use religion to further their agenda. Ministers claim that God wants them to be wealthy. If Jesus were alive, he'd be a socialist. The Bible says that it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven, yet some of the same people who are always hollering about religion are the most greedy, self-serving people. This thread is just more evidence that organized religion is used as a form of oppression and keeps people fearful, ignorant and blind.
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