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Old 10-05-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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Now who is socialist? Now who relies on big government and benefits from the nanny state?

TaxProf Blog: Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed
Now if the article would bother to inform the reader as to what those tax dollars are being spent on then we might be able to make comments. I am pretty certain that most of those federal funds going to "red" states are being used to develop/make use of our natural resources. You know, those fun things like coal, oil, natural gas that helps you blue states from freezing to death each winter.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Southeast
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Everyone seems to have missed the point that Federal spending in Blue States is assumed to be going to individual welfare and Federal spending in Red States is going to honest hard working agricultural and petroleum monopolies and banks. Supporting individuals needing help is considered unworthy but subsidizing prosperous farms and industries is a good use of surplus tax money from the Blue States to the deserving Red States.
For most states the largest portions of their federal share goes to social security, medicare/medicare, and other individual payments. Some states like Alaska and Virginia have a huge portion going to national defense.

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I consider the fact that little New Hampshire, as conservative, but apparently not neo-conservative, as you can get, cannot afford to maintain its own State park system but still sends $1.78 to the Federal Government for each $1.00 it receives in Federal spending. New Mexico, of similar population and vastly larger size, receives about $2.00 per $1.00. I wonder what the New Hampshire Congressional delegation is doing wrong. Get off your collective arses folks and get us some more pork.
Actually New Hampshire receives $1.36 for every $1.00 paid in taxes. New Mexico gets $3.35 for every $1.00 (lucky them). Biggest offender is still Hawaii; $3.65 for every $1.00.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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Now who is socialist? Now who relies on big government and benefits from the nanny state?

TaxProf Blog: Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed
Lets play the Price is Right's wrong answer tune "bum bum ba boom!" Although the article itself is a good indicator to the states who use fed dollars it is no way indicative of who abuses those funds or who allocates those funds to porky state projects.
Which state brings in the most federal funding per person? Which state uses the most federal funds per person? When those two questions are answered than you can plug a color to them and say that, that state is full of Republicans/Demo-crats and find out who is fed from where.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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You should be complaining because your federal taxes fund the majority of people who complain about taxes but benefit from them. You have a point, they are hypocritical whiners.

I am happy to have them complain right along side me. I don't care if they get more money allocated to them. Do they allocate the money to themselves? If the government could control itself this wouldn't occur.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Well here's a little history:
My state of Massachusetts went red in both 1980 and 1984. It probably would have gone red again in 1988 if it were not for the fact that it was our former governor who was running on the Dem ticket.

We also put a red senator into The Congress in the most recent Senatorial election.

In addition: The entire nation, with the exception of DC and Mass went red in 1972.
Nobody is denying that as state that is usually Blue can go Red of vice versa. Virginia which is traditionally a Republican state voted for President Obama in 2008.

There are also swing states like Ohio, and Wisconsin, that are not necessarily Red or Blue.
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Nobody is denying that as state that is usually Blue can go Red of vice versa. Virginia which is traditionally a Republican state voted for President Obama in 2008.

There are also swing states like Ohio, and Wisconsin, that are not necessarily Red or Blue.
Well you're the one who brought history into the equation.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:12 PM
 
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Well you're the one who brought history into the equation.

Look at states like Texas, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina, North Carolina and Alabama from the 1964 presidential election and beyond. Since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 most of these states have voted solidly Republican in almost every presidential election with the exception of 1976, 1992, and 1996. What was different about those elections? The Democrats running i.e. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were Southerners. Even then not all the states I mentioned swung Democratic. That's an example of the historical factors that I discussed earlier.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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I complain about taxes all the time. I still don't understand the relevence of this post. I don't care where my tax dollars go, I do care that we have too much government (if government was smaller, my tax bill would be too), the distribution of that government is irrelevent to me.
1) Serious question: what makes you believe your tax bill would be smaller if government was smaller?

2) Services like police, fire, libraries, etc. have to be paid for. You will pay for these services via taxes (which allow deductions) or you pay out of pocket. Does anyone know which comes out better for the average citizen? Obviously, if there is say, a $75/year fee for fire protection (see recent news story) it would be chump change for a millionaire- but a burden for someone making minimum wage. Yet we don't want burning houses endangering OUR house, OUR parks, and our home values and quality of life.

To me these are interesting questions to ponder and I appreciate any comments.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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1) Serious question: what makes you believe your tax bill would be smaller if government was smaller?

2) Services like police, fire, libraries, etc. have to be paid for. You will pay for these services via taxes (which allow deductions) or you pay out of pocket. Does anyone know which comes out better for the average citizen? Obviously, if there is say, a $75/year fee for fire protection (see recent news story) it would be chump change for a millionaire- but a burden for someone making minimum wage. Yet we don't want burning houses endangering OUR house, OUR parks, and our home values and quality of life.

To me these are interesting questions to ponder and I appreciate any comments.

If government is smaller they spend less money. Larger government requires more money to function. Huge programs like the medicare prescription drug plan and Obamcare enlarge government and enlarge the deficit.


You are falling into the trap the left often falls into. They accuse conservatives of favoring NO government. Smaller government doesn't equal No government. Of course there is a minimum amount of money that is required to maintain police, fire, national defense etc.

I would happly give up SS, Medicare etc. as long as the corresponding taxes went away. I think i can make much better investment decisions than the government and I think I am perfectly capable of chosing a health plan on my own.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Now if the article would bother to inform the reader as to what those tax dollars are being spent on then we might be able to make comments. I am pretty certain that most of those federal funds going to "red" states are being used to develop/make use of our natural resources. You know, those fun things like coal, oil, natural gas that helps you blue states from freezing to death each winter.
Actually, not one penny of those federal dollars is being spent by the states. They are being spent on federal programs and facilities within the state. All military bases, NOAA, FCC, BLM, NFS and numerous other federal bases, offices, and programs consume those federal dollars, not the states.

The OP is deliberately trying to mislead and misinform.
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