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Old 10-03-2010, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I find it ironic that many atheists call God a fairy tale (or "monster" as one poster called it) yet pray to the altar of a different fairy tale: socialism.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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Interesting that those on the left refuse to acknowledge a creator yet believe He gave them inalienable rights. And for those too slow to pick up on it..the OP meant the Declaration of Indepenence.

More proof Obama has no scruples.
Actually, it is unalienable rights, not inalienable. And yes, words do have meaning though Obama would have you believe otherwise "just words".

Unalienable Rights vs Inalienable Rights
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:54 AM
 
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Yep, just a coincidence that the same exact phrase was dropped.

In just a one week span.

As Dana Carvey's character once said: "How conveeeeeeenient"

Obama Again Omits (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/75843 - broken link)
"On other occasions, Obama has correctly cited the famous passage from the Declaration without removing the Creator. For example, as Limbaugh also pointed out on his Sept. 20 program, Obama did quote the Declaration accurately in his book The Audacity of Hope.

"Obama also quoted it correctly in the speech he delivered from the White House balcony this past July 4."

He's so sneaky! Always keeping you guessing....
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Which is a bit on the ironic side, what with the OP attacking President Obama's sense of history or lack of same, wouldn't you agree?
First, that person is not president. Secondly, the president has twice omitted the word, even with the use of his crutch of a teleprompter. So, in summation, the OP was most likely an unintentional mistake, where as the president was purposefully omitting the word "creator".

Which goes back to the question, where does the president believe our basic inalienable human rights come from, and who does he think can take them away? I think the answer is becoming obvious.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:57 AM
 
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Obama's critics also failed to note that in the line before his ad lib the president said that what has always bound Americans together was "faith and fidelity to the shared values that we all hold so dear," and that he closed his talk by saying, "God bless you, and God bless the United States of America."

The White House pushed back, with a spokesman telling Brody that "The President is in full agreement with the Declaration of Independence. Any suggestion to the contrary is just silly."
Bloggers Note Obama's Creator-Free 'Declaration of Independence'
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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First, that person is not president. Secondly, the president has twice omitted the word, even with the use of his crutch of a teleprompter. So, in summation, the OP was most likely an unintentional mistake, where as the president was purposefully omitting the word "creator".

Which goes back to the question, where does the president believe our basic inalienable human rights come from, and who does he think can take them away? I think the answer is becoming obvious.
Again, unalienable rights, not inalienable ones! Please folks , it really is an important difference.
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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Which goes back to the question, where does the president believe our basic inalienable human rights come from, and who does he think can take them away?
Looking over history, I can't help noticing that while you may insist that a "Creator" is necessary to endow human beings with rights (it's a debatable point, but it's really in the realm of philosophy), God is mysteriously absent when it comes to actually securing said rights. That's normally the job of government - lawmaking, law enforcement, even warfare - whether you like it or not.
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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Looking over history, I can't help noticing that while you may insist that a "Creator" is necessary to endow human beings with rights (it's a debatable point, but it's really in the realm of philosophy), God is mysteriously absent when it comes to actually securing said rights. That's normally the job of government - lawmaking, law enforcement, even warfare - whether you like it or not.
Actually no. The rights are granted by the Creator and affirmed by our Constitution. It is up to the people to secure their rights and keep them safe from a tyrannical government.

Were rights inalienable, law making would either secure or infringe upon them. However, since they are unalienable, laws cannot infringe upon them now matter how they and attorneys, judges or lawmakers and Presidents may try. The rights always exist despite the best efforts of tyrants. If rights were inalienable people could surrender them by consent of being governed; however, since they are unalienable they cannot be surrendered by man.
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Looking over history, I can't help noticing that while you may insist that a "Creator" is necessary to endow human beings with rights (it's a debatable point, but it's really in the realm of philosophy), God is mysteriously absent when it comes to actually securing said rights. That's normally the job of government - lawmaking, law enforcement, even warfare - whether you like it or not.
While the "Creator" may appear absent when it comes to humans securing rights, even Buddhists and non-Christians can file this under serendipity, divine intervention, the alignment of the stars, whatever. Just because it doesn't register under your limited array of five senses doesn't mean it must not exist.
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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First, that person is not president. Secondly, the president has twice omitted the word, even with the use of his crutch of a teleprompter. So, in summation, the OP was most likely an unintentional mistake, where as the president was purposefully omitting the word "creator".

Which goes back to the question, where does the president believe our basic inalienable human rights come from, and who does he think can take them away? I think the answer is becoming obvious.
You all have so longed for Obama to make your paranoid dreams to come true and he just never does. First (?) he was coming to get your guns. Then his teenage brownshirted army was about to come do whatever it was they were going to do. Somewhere in there he was plotting to indoctrinate your children via a speech beamed into them through the television in the government schools. Lots more idiot-bait tossed out to you ravening hordes like the garbage they are, too depressing to try to remember them all.

Sadly, the reality is,

"The President is in full agreement with the Declaration of Independence. Any suggestion to the contrary is just silly." - WH spokesman

(it's also, "We're right in the middle of a ****ing reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these things!" - H.S. Thompson)
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