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Old 10-03-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This is an interesting article that discusses the average time one spends waiting in hospital emergency rooms. I just can't understand how such protracted times are reasonable, but then in this country speed in emergency rooms is considered important, in most cases.

Here is the ending paragraph of this interesting article.

***When the price is not allowed to perform its function of supply-and-demand rationing, something else will.[3] In the case of the Canadian healthcare system, this price substitute is our time. But many of us may not be aware of the destructive nature of this hidden and steep price tag. While the unseen costs are always easily ignored, they are constantly eating up the economy's productive resources.***

Time as a Price - Predrag Rajsic - Mises Daily
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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Here's a Canadian news source on this. I don't know why some Americans want a single-payer system.


Wait times only the tip of health problems: doctors - CTV News
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Old 10-03-2010, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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If you aren't having a life threatening emergency, you'll wait hours in US emergency rooms.

I waited 3-4 hours easily when I had pneumonia, and i went in thinking I might have had a collapsed lung.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:03 PM
 
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"There's no question patients are dying because of the wait times. We just don't really know how many," said Innes, pointing to research from Australia that showed mortality rates rose when emergency department wait times increased.


Clipped from the article.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^^For once, I agree with beta. This is especially true in urban hospitals.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:05 PM
 
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I don't know why some Americans want a single-payer system.
And I don't know why some Americans believe that a totally free-market, for-profit health care system is the answer either.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Here's a Canadian news source on this. I don't know why some Americans want a single-payer system.


Wait times only the tip of health problems: doctors - CTV News
The thing that bothered me most in my article was the number of times that I saw the references to what happens in Canadian waiting rooms because of government planning or other words about what has happened because the government has decided that if people have to wait enough they may stop going to emergency rooms.

I once sent a boy who had been cut badly on a finger by a missing cleat on someone's shoe in a football game. I cleaned it up and played with a muscle in the finger and knew he was in trouble. When I got to the hospital about three hours later he was sitting the waiting room of the emergency room dripping blood on the floor. I raised some hell about that and was told that until his father returned with his health insurance card they would do nothing. I promised those people that I would never send anyone to that place for emergency care again. BTW, that was in 1963.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:09 PM
 
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And I don't know why some Americans believe that a totally free-market, for-profit health care system is the answer either.
My girlfriend has a blood disorder and she needed to get a routine ultrasound done to check that there's no internal bleeding. The NHS made her wait 6 weeks to be seen
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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And I don't know why some Americans believe that a totally free-market, for-profit health care system is the answer either.
I guess you failed to see the words about government planning wanting to turn people away so they use time as the main weapon. I just can't see how people, like you, manage to think that staffing shortly is used to keep some people away from the hospital.

I reported to an emergency room when I suspected I was having a heart attack and they said I didn't but they would wait till the next day to be sure. That was about 10:30 on a Sunday morning and at 5:00 pm they routed me out of my comfortable hospital bed, in the middle of a football game, at that, and sent me to a heart hospital. I call that pretty good care but don't expect to see anything that fast with the new health care bill we have. Of course, I am over 75 and not able to contribute much to anybody other than my family so I will have to lie in the hospital bed waiting to expire.
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Old 10-03-2010, 10:18 PM
 
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I guess you failed to see the words about government planning wanting to turn people away so they use time as the main weapon. I just can't see how people, like you, manage to think that staffing shortly is used to keep some people away from the hospital.

I reported to an emergency room when I suspected I was having a heart attack and they said I didn't but they would wait till the next day to be sure. That was about 10:30 on a Sunday morning and at 5:00 pm they routed me out of my comfortable hospital bed, in the middle of a football game, at that, and sent me to a heart hospital. I call that pretty good care but don't expect to see anything that fast with the new health care bill we have. Of course, I am over 75 and not able to contribute much to anybody other than my family so I will have to lie in the hospital bed waiting to expire.
Obama's new czar said he's gonna have to cut your Medicare benefits in order to help meet their estimates of the health care reform of saving money in the long run. Sounds like those fearmongering Death Panel lies Palin was talking about is coming true
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