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Lying during his naturalization ceremony as a soldier of allah so he could kill infidels on US soil is enough reason to take Geert Wilders seriously when he suggests putting a halt to any immigration from Muslim countries, period, regardless of the professed religous or political ideology of the person seeking entry into the US or other Western countries..
Political Islam and Western civilization simply do not mix.
So very true, and I consider all his words to be words that deserve to get the death penalty for him. Maybe he should get that penalty served within two weeks of the sentencing so he can't plead and plead for years. How many of his intended victims got to plead against his murder of them. Being too stupid to get the wanted results is no reason to leave him alive.
If you have ever been present at a naturalization ceremony - and I have - you will know that it is a huge deal for the people going through it ... akin to reaching the promised land.
Because one person reneged on their oath does not make the whole process bad. Candidates for naturalization go through a pretty intense screening process. Okay, so they got one wrong. But what about the thousands of others they got right and who are actively contributing to our democracy.
What about the future actions of the probable thousands who took the oath the same way this one did. We must be more careful about who we allow to take that oath and become citizens.
Is terrorism the sum total of all possible violent crimes? I think not. So while you are stressing over what some immigrant Islamic nut case is doing you just let another 100 nut cases from another part of the world. Brilliant. I feel safer already.
Of course, you are saying that that other 100 will try to kill Americans just because they are nut cases. True or false?
I see life imprisonment as something that may well cause more attacks like his since unless someone is killed in the attempt they get to live out their lives in prison, recruiting more members for al Qaeda, which he certainly will do.
I guess I am saying that we may have to avoid the Constitution to kill people like him to convince others that they may not want to commit the horrible crime he tried to commit.
Maybe we need a law that calls for huge killing attempts like this is enough for a terrorist to get to die for.
He is supposed to be going to ADX Florence in Colorado where the Unabomber, the shoe bomber, and Ramzi Yousef are kept. He'll be in solitary 22 hours a day, with minimal contact with other prisoners. They don't even eat together. If he can recruit people in there for al-Qaeda, goody for him. None of them are ever getting out.
I got this:
"More immigrants are being deported under the Obama administration than at any time during the tenure of President George W. Bush, according to government data released Monday."
"Illegal immigration has seen a "sharp decline" over the last two years, the Pew Hispanic Center said in a new report Wednesday — the first significant drop in the last 20 years." Illegal immigration down dramatically - Washington Times
I'm kind of surprised at the turn this thread has taken. No one's going to comment on how he was successfully tried in civilian court or how he pleaded guilty without being waterboarded or shut up in Gitmo? I guess there are those who still refuse to admit that our country does know how to deal with wanna-be terrorists without resorting to inhumane acts and/or acting like perpetual victims.
An excellent job done by the NYC criminal justice system. Kudos to all involved. Little wonder NYC is one of the safest cities in the U.S. now.
Bush was pathetic at deporting illegals or enforcing the border. I never suggested anything about his policy; rather, my comment was about the current conditions and the current administration in response to a different poster. Fact is that EVERY administration going back at least as far as Carter failed to enforce our immigration laws sufficiently.
Yes, there is plenty of proof that violent non-citizen felons continue to cross our borders illegally. Do you watch the news?
Why would anyone comment about this civilian trial? The man was not captured on the battlefield he was captured here, on US soil. Every non-uniformed terrorist captured here on US soil has been tried in a civilian court have they not? So, why would anyone comment on a judicial process that was status quo?
Last edited by lifelongMOgal; 10-06-2010 at 08:15 PM..
NY is weak. Life sentence? You wanna see his face for the next 70 years?
If it was up to me, I'd make him eat a stick of lit dynamite and watch him explode from within.
The guy is around 30 years old, I doubt he'll live to be 100, especially in prison. I do agree that the only way to deter suicide bombers is by giving them the death penalty. They might think twice if the punishment is death.
What about the future actions of the probable thousands who took the oath the same way this one did. We must be more careful about who we allow to take that oath and become citizens.
And how do you propose being "more careful"? And what about the millions of people who are born here and take no oath? Do you plan to screen all of them too?
The guy is around 30 years old, I doubt he'll live to be 100, especially in prison. I do agree that the only way to deter suicide bombers is by giving them the death penalty. They might think twice if the punishment is death.
If someone is willing to blow themselves up for a cause, I hardly think the death penalty is a deterrent.
Put them in solitary and feed them pork. That might be more of a deterrent.
The word is: Takeyya" How can we really believe anything? Provisions for lying in Islam
Most Muslims are familiar with the principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. Among these are:
War is deception.
The necessities justify the forbidden.
If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two.
Those are provisions for lying regardless of religious affiliation or belief.
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