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Old 10-06-2010, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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What Soviet Medicine Teaches Us - Yuri N. Maltsev - Mises Daily

"The system had many decades to work, but widespread apathy and low quality of work paralyzed the healthcare system. In the depths of the socialist experiment, healthcare institutions in Russia were at least a hundred years behind the average US level. Moreover, the filth, odors, cats roaming the halls, drunken medical personnel, and absence of soap and cleaning supplies added to an overall impression of hopelessness and frustration that paralyzed the system. According to official Russian estimates, 78 percent of all AIDS victims in Russia contracted the virus through dirty needles or HIV-tainted blood in the state-run hospitals."

LOL at people thinking it will be implemented similar to France's and Germany's system.
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: 38°14′45″N 122°37′53″W
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Oh please.
The Soviet medical system has been behind by four decades since FOREVER.
My mother was there in 1980 with a group of other US nurses to survey their hospitals and medical care.
They have lacked medically and have barely progressed past where we were 2 decades ago.

You are trying to compare pineapples to brussel sprouts.

Communist medicine set up in 1918 is completely different from the USA in 2010.
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Oh please.
The Soviet medical system has been behind by four decades since FOREVER.
My mother was there in 1980 with a group of other US nurses to survey their hospitals and medical care.
They have lacked medically and have barely progressed past where we were 2 decades ago.

You are trying to compare pineapples to brussel sprouts.

Communist medicine set up in 1918 is completely different from the USA in 2010.
Russia was a relatively affluent republic prior to 1918 when universal health care was adopted. Even when communism was "reformed" AIDS was being spread by dirty medical supplies.

Why would America's hypothetical UHC be more like France's in your opinion then say, the Ukraine or Slovakia?
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:58 PM
 
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The point is when you let the government of this size run it what you get is a mess.
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Old 10-06-2010, 01:10 PM
 
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The point is when you let the government of this size run it what you get is a mess.
Um...last I heard, our government wasn't "running" health care. The health care bill deals with how we pay for care from private providers....government doesn't physically deliver the care. Sorry, but I think you're comparing completely different things.
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Old 10-06-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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Russia was a relatively affluent republic prior to 1918 when universal health care was adopted. Even when communism was "reformed" AIDS was being spread by dirty medical supplies.

Why would America's hypothetical UHC be more like France's in your opinion then say, the Ukraine or Slovakia?
Which history books have you been reading? The fantasia guide to Russia?

Russia was a hundred years behind the rest of Europe. Serfdom had only recently been abolished, most of the population was agrarian and landless, there was widespread hunger, the industrial sector couldn't cope with war production, etc. etc.

There is a reason the Bolsheviks were successful and it was because the situation of Russia was so hopeless that anything was better than what they had.

Now, you tell me .... why is childbirth in the UK NHS half the cost of childbirth in the USA and why is infant mortality in the UK 30% less than in the USA?
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Old 10-06-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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Um...last I heard, our government wasn't "running" health care. The health care bill deals with how we pay for care from private providers....government doesn't physically deliver the care. Sorry, but I think you're comparing completely different things.

I wasn't comparing anything.
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