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Old 10-06-2010, 02:31 PM
 
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It seems like everything the federal government does is under attack now. Is there anything Republicans and conservatives want to keep, other than spending on defense?

This is a serious question.

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Old 10-06-2010, 02:32 PM
 
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Interstate commerce is one. They need to print money.
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Old 10-06-2010, 02:52 PM
 
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Immigration and border control should be at the very top of the list as part of defense.
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Old 10-07-2010, 12:16 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Yes i think we would like to keep our gosh dang Borders "SAFE" DON'T YOU. That is neither a Republician or a Democrat issue, this is an American issue, THAT WE NEED TO ALL GET INVOLVED WITH. If we don't do nothing about this problem, as the years pass, and your children are getting older, how bad will this problem be then. There are many important issues yes, but having our Country free from illegals coming across these borders, should be on the top of most of our lists.
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Old 10-07-2010, 12:47 AM
 
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It seems like everything the federal government does is under attack now. Is there anything Republicans and conservatives want to keep, other than spending on defense?

This is a serious question.


The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;

but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
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Old 10-07-2010, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;

but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

I guess that means, these groups should go (and others), since they were not considered at the time?

United States Air Force
Food and Drug Administration
Nuclear Regulatory Commission
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Commodity Futures Trading Commission
Federal Communications Commission
Federal Deposit Insurance Commission
Department of Veterans Affairs
Federal Election Commission
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
Drug Enforcement Administration
Environmental Protection Agency
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Highway Administration
Securities and Exchange Commission

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To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries
Since this was to just cover the writings and discoveries of "science and useful arts" should all other patents and copyrights be voided as they are not either? That was the original intent......
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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It seems like everything the federal government does is under attack now. Is there anything Republicans and conservatives want to keep, other than spending on defense?

This is a serious question.
You've done this before. Your headline does not match your statement.
Headline "control". Statement, "want".

Define what you really mean. There is a vast difference.
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Old 10-07-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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It seems like everything the federal government does is under attack now. Is there anything Republicans and conservatives want to keep, other than spending on defense?

This is a serious question.
The question you should ask is this:
What did government touch didn't turn to poop?

Ohh... answer to your question. The government shouldn't touch anything beside defense. By defense, I don't mean building empire buy have 100+ bases abroad. Just bring the troop home and protect our borders.

Everything else should let to the free markets to decide. The government claim free markets have failed us, but what really failed us is the government as it prevent free markets to work. They always intervene and have double standards.

What double standards? Here is one, when the housing market is going up, they called it a bull market. When it is coming down, they call it deflation.

Free markets never fail. If our government allow free markets to take it course, employment will pickup already. We would never have one bubble after another.
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:03 AM
 
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States;

but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
That's exactly what the federal government should be able to do, and that's it.

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I guess that means, these groups should go (and others), since they were not considered at the time?

United States Air Force This is part of the military. It stays. Failed argument
Food and Drug Administration Gone
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Gone
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Gone
Commodity Futures Trading Commission Gone
Federal Communications Commission Gone
Federal Deposit Insurance Commission Gone
Department of Veterans Affairs Part of military
Federal Election Commission Gone
Federal Energy Regulatory Commission Gone
Drug Enforcement Administration Definitely gone
Environmental Protection Agency Definitely gone
Federal Aviation Administration Gone
Federal Highway Administration Gone
Securities and Exchange Commission Gone

Since this was to just cover the writings and discoveries of "science and useful arts" should all other patents and copyrights be voided as they are not either? That was the original intent......
What kind of copyrights are you thinking of? Science and useful arts covers pretty much most intellectual property.
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Old 10-07-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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It seems like everything the federal government does is under attack now. Is there anything Republicans and conservatives want to keep, other than spending on defense?

This is a serious question.
The debts of the United States per article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution. Period.

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

To better understand Article 1 Section 8 refer to this CD discussion:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...lars-only.html
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