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I once had a person come to me with the thought they might be gay. I asked why. They said they listened to a radio program and the message that was related was , if you hate gays and you hate the life style and react to it then you must be gay and fighting it because you react to it.
I assured the person they were not gay because they reacted to it in a strong way. It was a spirit trap that was set in his mind to give confusion and doubt. It was a potential seed of the spirit of homosexuality to wonder about ones own sexuality. I assured this person that the message was false and that they were not gay. Some are vunerable to subtle messages and their belief system of who they are is fragile.
I do think that lots of people who are gay really struggle with it, because until very recently, gays were complete outcasts in society. When you couple that with hearing messages at church about it being an issue of sexual perversion, it makes the situation even more difficult, complex and painful. There are many well know cases of people who've made a life career out of publicly condemning homosexuality, and who've in turn been caught in gay encounters. I also think when people are young, they can have confusing feelings about their sexuality.
I really do respect what you have to say, but lots of people don't look at it the same way, or believe the same thing. As long as we're not trying to force our own viewpoints on how other people should live their lives (as long as they're not hurting themselves or others), the world works pretty well. I really do want to thank you though--this is a new perspective for me. It's always good to learn new things.
The gays get lots of support. That is what surrounds them and makes them strong. Their belief is strong and they love to talk about their gayness. That is why they work constantly for acceptance to become stronger in their beliefs.
When they come out of the gay spirit , they do it. It is their choice.
I will make sure to pass along this bit of wisdom to my gay uncle and brother-in-law, and my gay colleagues as well, I am sure they will be quite relieved.
Gee, I wonder why my uncle and brother-in-law never talk about their gayness to me?
Oh, I know why.....they know I dont care who they sleep with, as long as they are happy, productive human beings. Almost forgot about that little bit.
If that's what you believe, is it something that the faith group you belong to teaches? Is it a widespread belief?
I've never heard that before either. Not in my own catholic upbringing, not in my grandparents faiths, not at any non denomination/ interfaith group I've ever had relationships with my whole life. This interpretation sounds like it might be coming from evangelicals, but I cannot say with certainty. Tartova doesn't appear to be interested in declaring her faith. If it's truth, if it's a religious teaching, why avoid declaring truth? If it's a personal interpretation, why not just declare it that way?
I've never heard that before either. Not in my own catholic upbringing, not in my grandparents faiths, not at any non denomination/ interfaith group I've ever had relationships with my whole life. This interpretation sounds like it might be coming from evangelicals, but I cannot say with certainty. Tartova doesn't appear to be interested in declaring her faith. If it's truth, if it's a religious teaching, why avoid declaring truth? If it's a personal interpretation, why not just declare it that way?
I've heard of this line of thought/belief before, and have had for many years, but will not comment on it before the poster does.
I do think that lots of people who are gay really struggle with it, because until very recently, gays were complete outcasts in society. When you couple that with hearing messages at church about it being an issue of sexual perversion, it makes the situation even more difficult, complex and painful. There are many well know cases of people who've made a life career out of publicly condemning homosexuality, and who've in turn been caught in gay encounters. I also think when people are young, they can have confusing feelings about their sexuality.
I really do respect what you have to say, but lots of people don't look at it the same way, or believe the same thing. As long as we're not trying to force our own viewpoints on how other people should live their lives (as long as they're not hurting themselves or others), the world works pretty well. I really do want to thank you though--this is a new perspective for me. It's always good to learn new things.
I agree and I realize this. I hope this thread doesn't come across as shoving an agenda, cause it really is just meant as an explanation, so that hopefully others can see where many gay people who do come out are coming from. Even when we disagree it helps to understand another point of view better. I also come across a lot of confusion, thinking that gay people come out with the desire to talk about sex, and so I made this to clarify that coming out is not about wanting to discuss rated x subjects, it's just about letting people know since as often happens with minority groups, you either have to let people assume or let them know.
I agree and I realize this. I hope this thread doesn't come across as shoving an agenda
Not at all, and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. Your thoughts on this subject are rational and thoughtful. I greatly appreciate them - and I'm sure many others do as well.
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