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Old 10-07-2010, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Who is responsible for this bit of crap that will soon be foisted off on us unless we can get to January 2011 before it happens. What position does the man responsible for this hold in our present government? Why did he get appointed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6IHbdQl42U
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Texas
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This is mostly based upon an article in "The Lancet," the British medical paper, co-written by Emmanuel.

In it, he's theorizing about how to change the way health care resources are allocated, essentially attempting to apply the priniciples of triage to the whole system.

"The Complete Lives System" - by Dr. Emmanuel - Ad... - Comcast.net Community

So far, it's just thinking outside the box and not a policy suggestion. Frankly, though I may not agree with everything he proposes, I'm pleased that someone is examining alternatives to the status quo.

Our country would benefit immensely if we did more of that and less hanging onto old notions. Progress is not achieved by maintaining what is; it's achieved by questioning what is.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This is mostly based upon an article in "The Lancet," the British medical paper, co-written by Emmanuel.

In it, he's theorizing about how to change the way health care resources are allocated, essentially attempting to apply the priniciples of triage to the whole system.

"The Complete Lives System" - by Dr. Emmanuel - Ad... - Comcast.net Community

So far, it's just thinking outside the box and not a policy suggestion. Frankly, though I may not agree with everything he proposes, I'm pleased that someone is examining alternatives to the status quo.

Our country would benefit immensely if we did more of that and less hanging onto old notions. Progress is not achieved by maintaining what is; it's achieved by questioning what is.
OK, I question the part of the Obamacare law that calls for taking $50 billion per year from Medicare because that will result in some kind of rationing of health care by 2014 when it goes into effect all the way. I am questioning of that because I will very soon be 78 and that puts me very near the 80 we saw in that graph from Emanuel. I haven't come to the place where I can't contribute to the society and I do still work but when that thing goes into effect, if Emanuel is still around I won't be much longer.

When did Zeke get elected? If he wasn't elected, when did the Senate approve his appointment?
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:19 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why don't liberals also want those same principles applied to welfare? Why aren't those most likely to be productive taxpaying citizens after the shortest amount of time on welfare prioritized over those whose entire lifestyle consists of nothing but living off of as much welfare as they can get?
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:20 PM
 
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This is mostly based upon an article in "The Lancet," the British medical paper, co-written by Emmanuel.

In it, he's theorizing about how to change the way health care resources are allocated, essentially attempting to apply the priniciples of triage to the whole system.

"The Complete Lives System" - by Dr. Emmanuel - Ad... - Comcast.net Community

So far, it's just thinking outside the box and not a policy suggestion. Frankly, though I may not agree with everything he proposes, I'm pleased that someone is examining alternatives to the status quo.

Our country would benefit immensely if we did more of that and less hanging onto old notions. Progress is not achieved by maintaining what is; it's achieved by questioning what is.
Question authority!
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Texas
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OK, I question the part of the Obamacare law that calls for taking $50 billion per year from Medicare because that will result in some kind of rationing of health care by 2014 when it goes into effect all the way. I am questioning of that because I will very soon be 78 and that puts me very near the 80 we saw in that graph from Emanuel. I haven't come to the place where I can't contribute to the society and I do still work but when that thing goes into effect, if Emanuel is still around I won't be much longer.

When did Zeke get elected? If he wasn't elected, when did the Senate approve his appointment?
You're not going to lose your Medicare. The healthcare reform act does not cut Medicare benefits or eligibility. What it DOES do, is cut $500 million in expenses, mostly related to payment for services (not including Doctors) which Congress thinks the taxpayers are being over-charged for.

If you've been around many hospitals (and who hasn't?) you'll see that's exactly right. Too many times the bill is based upon what Medicare will pay, rather than actual costs+profits. Medicare has become a never ending cash cow of the health care industry and the reform act seeks to rein in the excesses.

And, it should be noted that not every Presidential advisor has to be confirmed by the Senate. A President, any President, is free to call upon whomever he likes for advice and they all have. Remember Truman's "Kitchen Cabinet," and Johnson's "Texas Mafia?" None of those were confirmed either.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Question authority!

No..question EVERYTHING!

We stagnate when we quit asking questions.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Why don't liberals also want those same principles applied to welfare? Why aren't those most likely to be productive taxpaying citizens after the shortest amount of time on welfare prioritized over those whose entire lifestyle consists of nothing but living off of as much welfare as they can get?

Who says we don't?

Remember welfare reform during the Clinton era? That began just like every other reform; somebody started thinking about how we could to this differently or better.
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Old 10-07-2010, 10:42 PM
 
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The dehydration practices of the British NHS is really all one needs to know about government administered health systems path to euthania to benefit the state.

I posted these in another thread this evening:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...n-the-NHS.html

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090301.html

http://www.globalideasbank.org/creend/CRE-13.HTML (broken link)

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Old 10-07-2010, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The dehydration practices of the British NHS is really all one needs to know about government administered health systems path to euthania to benefit the state.

Even when the healthcare reform act is fully implemented, it will not be similar to Britain's NHS. It was never designed to be so. In fact, it could more appropriately be called the Health Insurance Reform Act.
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