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Old 10-10-2010, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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The problemis with all vehicles getting better mileage the revenues have gone down basically. It still cost the same to build and maintain thsoe roadways regardless of MPG. One way or the other its either no new roads and worse maintenance or increasing funding.
Or find a different way to go about it, and not invading our privacy a little at a time?
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Old 10-10-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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This would offer greater control and again, a way for the government to track individuals.

Those who drive more miles and have less efficient vehicles already pay more taxes for driving more mileage. This stinks of DOUBLE taxation, IMO. My property taxes also go toward county road maint., so that is paying taxes 3 times for the same privilege.

But just remember what the big 0 keeps repeating: no one earning under $200K will have their taxes raise. Keep telling yourselves that, keep drinking the Kool-Aid, and, don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain.
There are some things I don't believe when I hear them from "insert political figure here"...and what you mentioned is one of them..... but I look at it from a different view. There is nota fixed amount of work/jobs/money available. There is not a fixed amount of people available. When one outweighs the other, well, you get what we have today.

There are many reasons I have read on why the Great Depression ended. One reason was a lot of men were dead (World War II). I'm not advocating mass slaughter of the populace. But, there are going to be even MORE people coming pretty soon. And they all are going to need "stuff". We can't provide for their needs forever. You can't borrow your way to prosperity....not forever. Someone always ends up paying. At our current rate, regardless of who is in charge, we are riding the Failcopter.
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:10 PM
 
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The gas tax does not cover the cost of roads as it is. When electric and other alternative fuels gain market share, even less of that cost will be covered. At that time it will become politically acceptable to raise gasoline taxes. But that would leave too many free riders. Taxing mileage is a more fair way to fund roads.
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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So taxes collected from gasoline sales is down due to higher fuel economy cars. Sounds like a problem the federal government created for themselves through the CAFE standards. And now the feds are considering another increase in CAFE standards which would require higher fuel economy vehicles to be produced, thus further lowering the amount of taxes collected from the sale of gasoline. And now they want to tack a new tax on us through the miles we drive. Great idea, a very expensive tax which would require the creating and installing of an electronic device on all vehicles as well as a possible required annual check to ensure the device has not been tampered with. Will the device be GPS enabled to track your miles or will it be connected to your vehicle's odometer? If it's to the odometer, a quick change in the size of the tires and rims will cheat the system. How easy would it be to hack into such a device to track an individual's movement (like federal government spying on citizens or foreign agents spying on government leaders)?
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:21 PM
 
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Actually the other problem is that the federal fuel tax "trust fund", just like Social Security, has been repeatedly raided to pay for other pet projects than the one it was created for, the maint. of federal roads & bridges. Now, the taxpayer is being asked to step up and replace the stolen loot via yet another tax.
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:32 PM
 
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Damn politicians. Always looking for new ways to seperate us from our money. I propose a politician tax. They get a special tax on income for simply being the leeches they are. As an added benefit I propose the bible be amended to inclde an 11th commandment: thou shalt not be a politician or else face eternal damnation and gnashing of teeth.

PS- politicians suck
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Old 10-10-2010, 04:37 PM
 
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Damn politicians. Always looking for new ways to seperate us from our money. I propose a politician tax. They get a special tax on income for simply being the leeches they are. As an added benefit I propose the bible be amended to inclde an 11th commandment: thou shalt not be a politician or else face eternal damnation and gnashing of teeth.

PS- politicians suck
Some time back I proposed a legislation tax. A tax on every legislator sponsoring, co-sponsoring and voting in the affirmative for legislation. It would seem they would be likely to pass much less if it actually impacted their pockets.
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:17 PM
 
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the solution is obvious... keep the fuel tax for NON-HYBRID cars and add the mileage tax for HYBRID and electric cars...
Good point, a tax on just electric and other cars would be in order since they are also using the same roads. Still have to figure out how to do it without tracking though, that's something I wouldn't support.
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:29 PM
 
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Plenty of tax revenues already, time for smarter politicians to distribute them.
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Old 10-10-2010, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Maybe they should just slap the tax on hybrids and electric cars then? The rest of us already PAY through the nose at the gas pump.
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