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Old 10-11-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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Remember the rat experiment?

Handful of rats in a huge run with optimal environmental conditions. Over time the population of the colony increases until it reaches a peak, and then from that point, the colony self-destructed in about 3 days. Rats were showing anti-social behavior, acting reclusive, isolating themselves, while others were attacking and killing colony members.

The very last rat died inexplicably. All other rats were dead, it had no enemies and all the food and water it could ever want, and was still quite young.
Something similar was observed in a deer population on James Island in the Chesapeake Bay in the 1950s; when the population reached a certain point they began dying in great numbers, though there was plenty of food -- they died of psychological stress, determined by their greatly enlarged adrenal glands.
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Old 10-11-2010, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Oh, my...not so! FDR was one of the worst Presidents we have ever had. He prolonged the Great Depression with his idiot policies and started us down the road of Socialism and debt. I pray we never have another FDR or Obama! This Country can't survive such stupidity for another round.
People that can make statements like this just do not know any history at all. FDR saved the USA from almost complete distruction, anarchy and revolution. What about countries that had very right wing conservative governments at the time? Do you suppose that they did better than the USA during the depression? They did not and not only did they not most of them did not survive at all. We had a conservative government here in Canada at the time until the people woke up to the fact that they were only interested in preserving the priviledged classes and cared not for the common man. Once that was realized they were toast and were thrown out of power for the next 40 years or so.

What the country can't survive is another know nothing do nothing bunch that want all the riches and wealth of the country for themselves but are nice enough to let the dregs "Trickle" down to the working class that make up the vast majority of the population. While I am at it what is it that makes you think that the conservatives are one bit more fiscally responsible than the liberals. History tells us that is just not the case.

What they like to do and they are still totally in favour of it is to give the richest people in the country tax breaks which just adds to the deficit and must be paid by the middle class who pay the majority of the taxes in the first place. Look at good old Reagen the hero of the Know nothings. What were the country's books like when he got through giving away the store? Not so good were they? What about George W Idiot? Very conservative, the darling of the country club set. Really fiscally responsible eh LOL?


The thing that bothers me the most about the right wing in the USA is that they think the rest of the people are as stupid as they are and unfortunately in the USA that is almost the truth. The rest of the world just laughs at them as the clowns they are. Their agenda of preserving and protecting the exalted position of the 1% of the people they represent is just so glaringly obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed by their blustering bungle.

Back to FDR... He won 4 terms, he saved the republic from the worst of the depression, he devised a stimulus that gave hope to the hopeless and built infrastructure and monuments that are still awesome today. he was loved by the common man more than any other president before or after and he was hated and dispised by those same forces that are still moaning, crying and spreading fear and insecurity in the country today.

Ever been to the Timberline lodge at mount hood or the state capital in Salem Oregon? I'll bet you haven't even heard of them and they were both built by the WPA, if you know what that was. What we have here in Canada is what FDR was trying to get for the USA and though it has it's challenges it's no comparison to the crazy, goofy, corrupt, ignorant conservativism of a party that should be a fringe only because they only represent a fringe,the GOP. I'm really stretching to call them a conservative party because there is nothing wrong with true conservativism and that they are not. They are truly an incarnation of the American Taliban more than anything else and they represent a very real danger to the USA and to the rest of the world.
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Old 10-11-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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Common Good sounds an awful lot like "General Welfare" clause of Our Founding Liberals
"Common good" means . . . weed.

The Corporations would have you believe it means Prozac.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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People that can make statements like this just do not know any history at all. FDR saved the USA from almost complete distruction, anarchy and revolution. What about countries that had very right wing conservative governments at the time? Do you suppose that they did better than the USA during the depression? They did not and not only did they not most of them did not survive at all. We had a conservative government here in Canada at the time until the people woke up to the fact that they were only interested in preserving the priviledged classes and cared not for the common man. Once that was realized they were toast and were thrown out of power for the next 40 years or so.

What the country can't survive is another know nothing do nothing bunch that want all the riches and wealth of the country for themselves but are nice enough to let the dregs "Trickle" down to the working class that make up the vast majority of the population. While I am at it what is it that makes you think that the conservatives are one bit more fiscally responsible than the liberals. History tells us that is just not the case.

What they like to do and they are still totally in favour of it is to give the richest people in the country tax breaks which just adds to the deficit and must be paid by the middle class who pay the majority of the taxes in the first place. Look at good old Reagen the hero of the Know nothings. What were the country's books like when he got through giving away the store? Not so good were they? What about George W Idiot? Very conservative, the darling of the country club set. Really fiscally responsible eh LOL?


The thing that bothers me the most about the right wing in the USA is that they think the rest of the people are as stupid as they are and unfortunately in the USA that is almost the truth. The rest of the world just laughs at them as the clowns they are. Their agenda of preserving and protecting the exalted position of the 1% of the people they represent is just so glaringly obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed by their blustering bungle.

Back to FDR... He won 4 terms, he saved the republic from the worst of the depression, he devised a stimulus that gave hope to the hopeless and built infrastructure and monuments that are still awesome today. he was loved by the common man more than any other president before or after and he was hated and dispised by those same forces that are still moaning, crying and spreading fear and insecurity in the country today.

Ever been to the Timberline lodge at mount hood or the state capital in Salem Oregon? I'll bet you haven't even heard of them and they were both built by the WPA, if you know what that was. What we have here in Canada is what FDR was trying to get for the USA and though it has it's challenges it's no comparison to the crazy, goofy, corrupt, ignorant conservativism of a party that should be a fringe only because they only represent a fringe,the GOP. I'm really stretching to call them a conservative party because there is nothing wrong with true conservativism and that they are not. They are truly an incarnation of the American Taliban more than anything else and they represent a very real danger to the USA and to the rest of the world.
So good I'm repeating it for those who learn best by rote. One need only Google "WPA parks" and there is an entire list of their accomplishments across America. The Visitor's Center at Bandalier National Monument in New Mexico is still there, still beautiful, and still enormously enriching to visit. FDR continued the conservation begun by Theodore Roosevelt, and America has them to thank for the preservation of natural beauty and history The fact that it also employed thousands is crucial, and similar projects today would do the same. How unfortunate that so many are so short-sighted, so willing to fall for simplistic notions of what being part of an evolving society truly means; the term "progressive" is enough to make them reject what is clearly a win-win situation.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:31 PM
 
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So good I'm repeating it for those who learn best by rote. One need only Google "WPA parks" and there is an entire list of their accomplishments across America. The Visitor's Center at Bandalier National Monument in New Mexico is still there, still beautiful, and still enormously enriching to visit. FDR continued the conservation begun by Theodore Roosevelt, and America has them to thank for the preservation of natural beauty and history The fact that it also employed thousands is crucial, and similar projects today would do the same. How unfortunate that so many are so short-sighted, so willing to fall for simplistic notions of what being part of an evolving society truly means; the term "progressive" is enough to make them reject what is clearly a win-win situation.
And, he did it all without raising taxes!

Truly a miracle!

Or, was it?
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:36 PM
 
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People that can make statements like this just do not know any history at all. FDR saved the USA from almost complete distruction, anarchy and revolution. What about countries that had very right wing conservative governments at the time? Do you suppose that they did better than the USA during the depression? They did not and not only did they not most of them did not survive at all. We had a conservative government here in Canada at the time until the people woke up to the fact that they were only interested in preserving the priviledged classes and cared not for the common man. Once that was realized they were toast and were thrown out of power for the next 40 years or so.

What the country can't survive is another know nothing do nothing bunch that want all the riches and wealth of the country for themselves but are nice enough to let the dregs "Trickle" down to the working class that make up the vast majority of the population. While I am at it what is it that makes you think that the conservatives are one bit more fiscally responsible than the liberals. History tells us that is just not the case.

What they like to do and they are still totally in favour of it is to give the richest people in the country tax breaks which just adds to the deficit and must be paid by the middle class who pay the majority of the taxes in the first place. Look at good old Reagen the hero of the Know nothings. What were the country's books like when he got through giving away the store? Not so good were they? What about George W Idiot? Very conservative, the darling of the country club set. Really fiscally responsible eh LOL?


The thing that bothers me the most about the right wing in the USA is that they think the rest of the people are as stupid as they are and unfortunately in the USA that is almost the truth. The rest of the world just laughs at them as the clowns they are. Their agenda of preserving and protecting the exalted position of the 1% of the people they represent is just so glaringly obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed by their blustering bungle.

Back to FDR... He won 4 terms, he saved the republic from the worst of the depression, he devised a stimulus that gave hope to the hopeless and built infrastructure and monuments that are still awesome today. he was loved by the common man more than any other president before or after and he was hated and dispised by those same forces that are still moaning, crying and spreading fear and insecurity in the country today.

Ever been to the Timberline lodge at mount hood or the state capital in Salem Oregon? I'll bet you haven't even heard of them and they were both built by the WPA, if you know what that was. What we have here in Canada is what FDR was trying to get for the USA and though it has it's challenges it's no comparison to the crazy, goofy, corrupt, ignorant conservativism of a party that should be a fringe only because they only represent a fringe,the GOP. I'm really stretching to call them a conservative party because there is nothing wrong with true conservativism and that they are not. They are truly an incarnation of the American Taliban more than anything else and they represent a very real danger to the USA and to the rest of the world.
Here's a little history for you. Roosevelt's policies actively promoted a rise in the cost of labor, which led directly to higher unemployment. Roesevelt's policies actively promoted higher prices for goods and services, which led directly to reduced demand and lower production. Roosevelt's policies had a chilling effect on capital investment, which is the wellspring of productivity growth and increased real incomes. Check out "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Schlaes for the long version.

Sure, the WPA projects are sweet. As for Roosevelt, he's still giving his fireside chats--only now, the fire is much, much hotter.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:38 PM
 
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People that can make statements like this just do not know any history at all. FDR saved the USA from almost complete distruction, anarchy and revolution. What about countries that had very right wing conservative governments at the time? Do you suppose that they did better than the USA during the depression? They did not and not only did they not most of them did not survive at all. We had a conservative government here in Canada at the time until the people woke up to the fact that they were only interested in preserving the priviledged classes and cared not for the common man. Once that was realized they were toast and were thrown out of power for the next 40 years or so.

What the country can't survive is another know nothing do nothing bunch that want all the riches and wealth of the country for themselves but are nice enough to let the dregs "Trickle" down to the working class that make up the vast majority of the population. While I am at it what is it that makes you think that the conservatives are one bit more fiscally responsible than the liberals. History tells us that is just not the case.

What they like to do and they are still totally in favour of it is to give the richest people in the country tax breaks which just adds to the deficit and must be paid by the middle class who pay the majority of the taxes in the first place. Look at good old Reagen the hero of the Know nothings. What were the country's books like when he got through giving away the store? Not so good were they? What about George W Idiot? Very conservative, the darling of the country club set. Really fiscally responsible eh LOL?


The thing that bothers me the most about the right wing in the USA is that they think the rest of the people are as stupid as they are and unfortunately in the USA that is almost the truth. The rest of the world just laughs at them as the clowns they are. Their agenda of preserving and protecting the exalted position of the 1% of the people they represent is just so glaringly obvious to anyone who is not brainwashed by their blustering bungle.

Back to FDR... He won 4 terms, he saved the republic from the worst of the depression, he devised a stimulus that gave hope to the hopeless and built infrastructure and monuments that are still awesome today. he was loved by the common man more than any other president before or after and he was hated and dispised by those same forces that are still moaning, crying and spreading fear and insecurity in the country today.

Ever been to the Timberline lodge at mount hood or the state capital in Salem Oregon? I'll bet you haven't even heard of them and they were both built by the WPA, if you know what that was. What we have here in Canada is what FDR was trying to get for the USA and though it has it's challenges it's no comparison to the crazy, goofy, corrupt, ignorant conservativism of a party that should be a fringe only because they only represent a fringe,the GOP. I'm really stretching to call them a conservative party because there is nothing wrong with true conservativism and that they are not. They are truly an incarnation of the American Taliban more than anything else and they represent a very real danger to the USA and to the rest of the world.
Wow :faints:
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:54 PM
 
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Here's a little history for you. Roosevelt's policies actively promoted a rise in the cost of labor, which led directly to higher unemployment. Roesevelt's policies actively promoted higher prices for goods and services, which led directly to reduced demand and lower production. Roosevelt's policies had a chilling effect on capital investment, which is the wellspring of productivity growth and increased real incomes.
How was that, by giving workers the right to organize and collectively bargain to protect their jobs? Damn him!
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Old 10-11-2010, 10:16 PM
 
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How was that, by giving workers the right to organize and collectively bargain to protect their jobs? Damn him!
If you could wave a magic wand and unionize the entire US workforce overnight, tomorrow you would have a dramatically higher unemployment rate. Unions do not provide job protection: the UAW went from 500,000 members to barely over 50,000 in three decades. If you cost more than you are worth, your job is not protected--and the primary purpose of unions is to command wages above their market value.

Roosevelt proved it in the 1930's.
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Old 10-11-2010, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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FDR was the leader who was most responsible for moving the seat of power in the USA to Washington and away from wall street. I hope you understand that that was a good thing because Washington represents the people while wall street represents nobody but itself. This great transfer of power was resisted by all the forces of economic power and over the past few decades they have regained a lot of that power aided and abetted by the good old and always loyal to the economic power structure, the political whores, the GOP. This unholy alliance of course lead to the almost complete destruction of the worlds economy once again and it was my fond but futile hope the Obama would smash these international crimminals once and for all.
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