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Old 10-11-2010, 10:51 AM
 
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it is based on NET
Yes, it is. That net still includes the business. Your point?
Seriously, have you ever owned a business or worked as an independent contractor being responsible for your own taxes rather than just filing a 1040 based on a paycheck alone? Doesn't appear like it from your postings.
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The middle class expanded under President Bill Clinton it declined under President George BushJr. Could you explain the basis of your logic?
fail

the middleclass has been shrinking since the late 70's (the 70's way the peak for the middleclass)

middleclass (the rich poor gap) has been increasing WORLD WIDE

the middleclass shrunk under clinton too
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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Yes, it is. That net still includes the business. Your point?
Seriously, have you ever owned a business or worked as an independent contractor being responsible for your own taxes rather than just filing a 1040 based on a paycheck alone? Doesn't appear like it from your postings.
ok, educate me. What is net and what is gross?
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:05 AM
 
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LOL as if either party cares about you. You want a friend, get a dog.....
or a cat, or a pot bellied pig, a parrot, even a gerbil

but not the rats in BOTH Parties disgusting creatures,
they are
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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Capital gains is income to everyone and everyone gets taxed on it already. No one stops anyone from investing and letting their money work for them while they are simultaneously working for their money. This money is invested, allowing municipalities and business alike the cash flow to expand and improve. Do you believe people should be punished for investing in the USA? Really?

Really grasping for straws. You need to educate yourself MUCH better instead of spewing liberal hate speech. Seriously.


Have you ever been an average income American (98% of us) that makes under 250,000$ net ?

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Tax_Plan_Facts_FINAL.pdf

FACT #1: The Obama Plan Provides Generous Tax Cuts for Almost All American Families – and will
not raise any tax rate on families making less than $250,000 per year, period! The Obama plan maintains
the existing marginal tax rates for every family making less than $250,000 – and single people making less than
$200,000—while offering thousands of dollars in new tax cuts for saving, education, mortgage costs, and
childcare, as well as up to $1000 per family to make work pay. Under the Obama plan, the typical family will
pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. Any and all charges that Obama
would raise rates on capital gains, dividends, income, savings and so on for the approximately 98% of American
families making less than $250,000 are simply not true. For details click here.
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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ok, educate me. What is net and what is gross?
You cannot be serious! No, I'm not going to spoon feed you basic knowledge one should have as a literate and functioning adult in the USA . Go to your local public library. Sheeze!

Really angers me that people like you vote and take my tax dollars to re-distribute.
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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You cannot be serious! No, I'm not going to spoon feed you basic knowledge one should have as a literate and functioning adult in the USA . Go to your local public library. Sheeze!

Really angers me that people like you vote and take my tax dollars to re-distribute.
ok, so you cannot explain net and gross. This explains a lot
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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The middle class expanded under President Bill Clinton it declined under President George BushJr. Could you explain the basis of your logic?
How about you explain the basis of yours?

Expanded under Clinton: Tech bubble

Declined under Bush: 9/11 & Housing bubble

Now, do you really want to claim that one man - who doesn't even WRITE the laws, has THAT MUCH control over who earns what in this country?

Are you REALLY trying to make that argument?
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:26 AM
 
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How about you explain the basis of yours?

Expanded under Clinton: Tech bubble

Declined under Bush: 9/11 & Housing bubble

Now, do you really want to claim that one man - who doesn't even WRITE the laws, has THAT MUCH control over who earns what in this country?

Are you REALLY trying to make that argument?
Well, any idiot knows that the Tech Bubble was precisely that: A bubble. The share prices were inflated so far beyond the worth of internet companies that only a halfwit would have held onto those stocks. The fact that you actually referred to it as the Tech Bubble without any awareness means that you have no idea what a bubble is.

On to the housing crisis. Yeah, Bush should have put a stop to the government underwriting of mortgages with Fannie Mae, FHA, and Freddie Mac. But he didn't.

But given that Bush had butkus to do with the Federal Reserve's decisions to push interest rates to practically zero, thereby creating runaway lending and home valuations, your argument holds no water. The President has no control over the Fed.

That being said, it says a lot more about Obama that he made Geithner the Secretary of the Treasury, particularly since Geithner was the President of the NY Federal Reserve, and blithely stood by and watched the big banks screw the pooch.
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Old 10-11-2010, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Well, any idiot knows that the Tech Bubble was precisely that: A bubble. The share prices were inflated so far beyond the worth of internet companies that only a halfwit would have held onto those stocks. The fact that you actually referred to it as the Tech Bubble without any awareness means that you have no idea what a bubble is.

On to the housing crisis. Yeah, Bush should have put a stop to the government underwriting of mortgages with Fannie Mae, FHA, and Freddie Mac. But he didn't.

But given that Bush had butkus to do with the Federal Reserve's decisions to push interest rates to practically zero, thereby creating runaway lending and home valuations, your argument holds no water. The President has no control over the Fed.

That being said, it says a lot more about Obama that he made Geithner the Secretary of the Treasury, particularly since Geithner was the President of the NY Federal Reserve, and blithely stood by and watched the big banks screw the pooch.
You so completely missed Jazzy's post and what I was saying in response...

Whatever. Next time, pay attention a bit more.
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