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There should be a restraining order between science and religion if they have such problems getting along.
Why? Science and religion have been living together for ages.
Copernicus was a clergy men so was Mendel. Darwin was religious and all the churches in the world use electric lighting and amplification during sermons, things that would not be possible if not for science.
There is no clash between science and religion outside of the US. And even here only the fanatics from both sides attack each other. Ironically it is very seldom the accomplished scientists and higher clergy that indulges in those fights but rather simple people who don't know much about neither religion nor science. The is no conflict between science and religion. Really.
Why? Science and religion have been living together for ages.
Copernicus was a clergy men so was Mendel. Darwin was religious and all the churches in the world use electric lighting and amplification during sermons, things that would not be possible if not for science.
There is no clash between science and religion outside of the US. And even here only the fanatics from both sides attack each other. Ironically it is very seldom the accomplished scientists and higher clergy that indulges in those fights but rather simple people who don't know much about neither religion nor science. The is no conflict between science and religion. Really.
One would have had to visit every church in the world to find out that statement is not true!
But it sounded good - that's why you just threw it in!!
Why? Science and religion have been living together for ages.
And they've been in conflict for most of it. John Draper wrote his classic History of the Conflict between Religion and Science back in the 1880s. In his introduction he observed that:
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The antagonism we thus witness between Religion and Science is the continuation of a struggle that commenced when Christianity began to attain political power. A divine revelation must necessarily be intolerant of contradiction; it must repudiate all improvement in itself, and view with disdain that arising from the progressive intellectual development of man. But our opinions on every subject are continually liable to modification, from the irresistible advance of human knowledge.
Socrates and Giordano Bruno lost their lives over it. Galileo was put under house arrest, and Copernicus refused to publish until he was dead. The great Muslim scientists like Averroes and Ibn Sina were labeled as dangerous heretics. Teilhard de Chardin's idea were condemned in a Papal encyclical.
To pretend no conflict exists is to be pointlessly obtuse in the face of objective reality.
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Originally Posted by tristann
There is no clash between science and religion outside of the US.
Oh? Have you never hear of Harun Yahya in Turkey, Ian Paisley in Ireland, Carl Wieland in Australia or Yung-Gil Kim in Korea. You've just not been paying attention.
One would have had to visit every church in the world to find out that statement is not true!
But it sounded good - that's why you just threw it in!!
I dont think you 've ever been outside of your county so how would you know?
Of course it is true. Some of the best universities like Notre Dame, Loyola or St. Johns belong to Catholic church.
Of course to know it you'd have to have some education.
I was thinking more along the lines of diminishment from natural causes, like in Scandinavian countries.
Why? Are there no churches in Sweden?
I gave you example of countries where church was under attack of the governments or like in Mao,'s China, Soviet Russia or Cuba almost completely destroyed. As you may notice some of the worst attrocities in history of mankind happened in countries who were proud to be atheis.
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