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Where were all these cowering Islamophobes when the Bush administration was proposing it would be a good thing to spend American blood & $$$ to bring democracy to an Islamic nation? Just where were you whining hypocrites?
Just because you don't see the rattlesnake in the grass does not mean it isn't there
I betcha any amount of money that the FBI are watching the "Muslim Brotherhood" as you read this post.
It's time all those "peace loving Muslims" in the USA come out and denounce the Muslim Brotherhood as being against Islam, you know they never ever will. Which supports my theory that these radical groups are the footsoldiers and the "pious, quiet, so-called peace loving" Muslims stand by and allow them to do their dirty work for the greater cause of spreading Islam around the world.
What needs to happen is:
1. The Muslim religion should be put on a list of operating Cults.
2. Outlaw Islam in the USA.
3. Prevent anyone with a background in Islam from immigrating to the USA or visiting.
Islam is not a religion, it's an old cult that is pretending to be a religion. There is nothing peaceful about Islam or what's written in the Koran, it's all about brainwashing. The very name Islam means SUBMISSION. Who are they submitting to? There's nothing angelic or heavenly about Islam, it's all about evil.
Over a month ago I talked and talked about the Muslim Brotherhood being the group that takes control of about everything Muslim in the US. They have officially declared war on the whole West and especially the US. Now it is time for us to deal with CAIR and other Muslim groups as if they were really at war with us.
Islamophobes? Really? Is that the term you have for all of us that are calling out Islam on their persecution and intolerance? I've got news for you - we are also naziphobes & fasciophobes. Is that ok with you? I am not a "rightie" - but a libertarian with very liberal social views - but if I see an anti-liberty organization (and Islam IS one of those), I'm calling the spade a spade. Having a phobia (fear of) of certain things is pretty damn healthy. Don't act like its a weakness of character or intelligence.
It is a weakness. Phobias are irrational fears. Certainly there is rationality in promoting greater knowledge and understanding of Islam, just as there is rationality in promoting greater knowledge and understanding of spiders, the most common phobia. There may certainly be people of the Islam religion who are our enemies, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims are the enemies of the United States. Islam, like Christianity, is not a uniform religion. Christianity, like Islam, has extremists whose beliefs don't mirror the majority of people who practice the religion. Every religion fosters some extremists. But we are better off expanding our understanding of those religions, so that we can identify extremists, so that we can respond appropriately to what is a very real threat. There seem to some here that echo the sentiment, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." We know how terrible wrong that idea was, and what terrible things happened because people had that sentiment. We saw that same sentiment arise during World War II, when some people thought, "The only good *** is a dead ***." And that resulted in millions of innocent Japanese Americans losing their homes and livelihoods and being incarcerated. A terrible wrong. Some Muslims are our enemies, but not all. And given our history, we should be cautious about making a religion, a religion practiced by one fifth of the world's population, into our enemy. Extremism is the enemy. And ignorance is the enemy. Intolerance is the enemy. As Americans, we aspire to be better.
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I betcha any amount of money that the FBI are watching the "Muslim Brotherhood" as you read this post.
It's time all those "peace loving Muslims" in the USA come out and denounce the Muslim Brotherhood as being against Islam, you know they never ever will. Which supports my theory that these radical groups are the footsoldiers and the "pious, quiet, so-called peace loving" Muslims stand by and allow them to do their dirty work for the greater cause of spreading Islam around the world.
What needs to happen is:
1. The Muslim religion should be put on a list of operating Cults.
2. Outlaw Islam in the USA.
3. Prevent anyone with a background in Islam from immigrating to the USA or visiting.
Islam is not a religion, it's an old cult that is pretending to be a religion.
Liberty is a two-edge sword and the possibility is always there to cut those who embrace her. If the nazi party or wacko religious cults can't be outlawed, then Islam won't be. The precedent would be used in the future to outlaw any organization that the government would deem rogue. Much as liberty, security is also a two-edged sword. People need to take a page out of the accountability forced upon the Catholic church (in regards to its history and current cover-up of sexual predation) and apply this to Islam. That fact that we cower in fear of Islam speaks to our underlying suspicion that if we call them on this - they will openly declare their defiance.
Time and time again these Muslims say their enemy is the West, the USA, Israel.
They are NEVER going to attack as a nation with borders attacks, they are attacking as an ideology and that is Islam.
Nobody wants to admit they hear what these fanatics are saying, but they keep repeating Islam, Jihad, against the West. And our "great" leaders ignore what they are saying and to appease the Muslims in the USA and around the world - the "so called quiet Muslims" who are just lying in wait like a snake in the grass.
Why do our leaders constantly say WE'RE NOT AT WAR AGAINST ISLAM?
We need to declare a war against the murdering marauding mind controlling mysogynistic cult that Islam is!
Our leaders need to snap the hell out of it and stop lying to us!
Those who actually defend AMERICAN values will defend AMERICAN values. They won't defend persecution. It's not an AMERICAN value. They won't defend prejudice. It's not an AMERICAN value. They won't defend subverting the rule of law. It's not an AMERICAN value. They won't defend restrictions on freedom of religion. It's not an AMERICAN value.
You think you are defending the Constitution and AMERICAN values, when you undermine those things by arguing that it's okay to ignore the Constitution when it comes to Muslims or when it comes to communists.If you truly believed in the Constitution and AMERICAN values, you'd know it's never okay to compromise the principles of freedom.It's NEVER OKAY to compromise the Constitution of the United States of America. And that's an AMERICAN value.
America has been compromised from within.
Muslim and communist efforts are to destroy America from within. It is their stated purpose!
To oppose those bent on destroying America is NOT a compromise to the Constitution, it is a duty to defend it and those bent on the destruction of the Constitution do not revere and respect it as Americans do!
To be vigilant to the principles of freedom is not to turn a blind eye to those who wish to take it away from us! From within or without!
What is the true goal of Islam?
What is the true goal of communism?
It is NOT the principles of freedom or respect for the Constitution of the United States of America.
There's a reason we do not allow criminals, murderers, snakes and wild animals roam inside our homes. They are every bit as free as we are.
Liberty is a two-edge sword and the possibility is always there to cut those who embrace her. If the nazi party or wacko religious cults can't be outlawed, then Islam won't be. The precedent would be used in the future to outlaw any organization that the government would deem rogue. Much as liberty, security is also a two-edged sword. People need to take a page out of the accountability forced upon the Catholic church (in regards to its history and current cover-up of sexual predation) and apply this to Islam. That fact that we cower in fear of Islam speaks to our underlying suspicion that if we call them on this - they will openly declare their defiance.
Oh yes, NAZI groups are outlawed in some countries on this planet - Austria, Germany. But here in the USA by constitutional law people do have the freedom to do whatever they want in this country.
The true fact is that if Charles Manson created a murdering cult in 2010 and it was investigated thoroughly it would be outlawed. The government can create a reason to outlaw anything they want - Randy Weaver, Ruby Ridge.
They need to get working on the real threat to our society - Islam.
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It is a weakness. Phobias are irrational fears. Certainly there is rationality in promoting greater knowledge and understanding of Islam, just as there is rationality in promoting greater knowledge and understanding of spiders, the most common phobia. There may certainly be people of the Islam religion who are our enemies, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims are the enemies of the United States. Islam, like Christianity, is not a uniform religion. Christianity, like Islam, has extremists whose beliefs don't mirror the majority of people who practice the religion. Every religion fosters some extremists. But we are better off expanding our understanding of those religions, so that we can identify extremists, so that we can respond appropriately to what is a very real threat. There seem to some here that echo the sentiment, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." We know how terrible wrong that idea was, and what terrible things happened because people had that sentiment. We saw that same sentiment arise during World War II, when some people thought, "The only good *** is a dead ***." And that resulted in millions of innocent Japanese Americans losing their homes and livelihoods and being incarcerated. A terrible wrong. Some Muslims are our enemies, but not all. And given our history, we should be cautious about making a religion, a religion practiced by one fifth of the world's population, into our enemy. Extremism is the enemy. And ignorance is the enemy. Intolerance is the enemy. As Americans, we aspire to be better.
The only problem is that about 25% (at least) of that 1 billion Islamic population is either Wahabist, Salafist, or militant Sunni/Shiia and they have openly declared war on basic human rights and religious/cultural liberty - not only in their countries, but the countries that they feel they are a large enough minority to wage a guerrilla/terrorist campaign for an Islamic state. They wage war on all who are not like them, once they feel they are in position to. This isn't an irrational fear - it is one based on history (both old and new). Yes, christianity has had it share of horrible history - but in the modern forms, it is Islam that is continuing in its barbarity. Christian extremists don't blow themselves up to kill others or high-jack planes, booby-trap special needs people to kill others and behead journalist and red-cross workers. To compare Islam to Christianity or any other major religion is a gross injustice.
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