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Yeah because art and literature is so essential to the survival of a country.
they're essential to the survival of culture and of shared values (not necessarily those shared by the government, but those that specific group of individuals share among them), which results in cohesion. Something you're going to need unless you're ready to enforce unity by force only. They also help strengthen freedom of thought and feelings of autonomy. The richer and more diverse the art, the stronger the country's influence.
Art and literature are inherent to humankind. I would like to see what a country would be like without them. But wait, that's impossible: peoples without a country, there are. Peoples without artistic expression? Unthinkable.
I'd settle for good science. Honestly...I don't expect a science teacher to stand up with the Bible opened to Genesis 1, but it would be nice to ditch the evolution fairy tale.
Because you don't understand it, does not mean it is not "good science."
That is the problem with most religious beliefs and laws. Religious people replace that which they do not understand with superstitious beliefs. These superstitious beliefs then become the foundation for useless laws.
Sodomy laws have been in the books for hundreds of years in this country. No one seems to care that these laws are not being enforced. As far as gay marriage goes: IMO, there is no such thing.
I support not giving foreigners American rights if that's what you mean.
No one has said a single word about not allowing this!
Where on Earth did you get the idea that Christianity was state sponsored?
Your response points to your support of a fascist regime and an inability to see shades of gray. Liberals support a woman's right to choose which is vastly different from loving abortion. This goes back to the "When did you stop beating your wife?" argument I raised earlier. Your take on sodomy laws and gay marriage reads like some kind of Soviet doublespeak. And your take on the treatment of non-US citizens is rather frightening in that it says you think Americans should be treated better or that foreigners don't deserve the rights afforded all humans by the Geneva Conventions and by common decency itself. Christianity is as close to state sponsored as it gets in this country, what a pity you can't acknowledge that.
Opposition to sharia law is practically universal in the non-extremist Muslim world. It is NOT supported by liberals despite how many millions of times conservatives repeat it to themselves and to the walls of the little boxes they live in. But sharia's core horrors are shared by many other religions and especially by those who hold an authoritarian political view.
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Originally Posted by ovcatto I can't think of any political group that would be more opposed to a "communist regime" than liberals. Personally, I would think that it would be roughly the same as living under a Republican one party state.
It would be the death nail of art, literature, and free expression.
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Yeah because art and literature is so essential to the survival of a country.
You didn't acknowledge that a Republican one-party state would be the death knell for free expression as ovcatto described, but instead you focused on the two things that Republicans deem unnecessary.
Without art or literature and all things related to it, what kind of country would you have that didn't look and feel like North Korea? Architecture would die away and everyone would live in Cabrini Green-like buildings. Cars would all look the same. Do you really think that only God and guns are what keep a country surviving?
Because you don't understand it, does not mean it is not "good science."
That is the problem with most religious beliefs and laws. Religious people replace that which they do not understand with superstitious beliefs. These superstitious beliefs then become the foundation for useless laws.
Most of the great scientists in history have been Christians. Their beliefs were in no way detrimental to their research and work. In fact it highlights one of the core differences between Christianity and Islam. In Christianity God is a rational being who created an ordered universe where physical laws can be discovered through study. Contrast that with Islam which says "Allah's hand is unfettered" which means that Allah is not limited in any way including being limited to being a rational logical being. Because of that, Muslims who try to study the physical world can not make assumptions about physical laws without risking apostacy which is -- punishable by death of course.
That is why even during the Muslim world's time of scientific greatness when Europe was in the dark ages it was non-Muslims within the Muslim world who were making those discoveries because they were not bound by Islamic beliefs. After enough time those non-Mulsim populations were eliminated through attrition or exodus out of Dal-Al-Islam and "Islam's" golden age came to an end and scientific stagnation set in and continues today.
Think about it: everybody is forced to think the exact same way and worship the same god. If you say anything blasphemous, or do anything that the "mob rule" disagrees with, you are judged without a trial and sentenced by physical mutilation and/or dismemberment in public to "send a message" or a "teach a lesson" to anyone who may be considering similar behavior. And in the very best of outcomes, STONING TO DEATH!. Oh, think of the fun!
Yeah, kind of like "climate change is settled science" you better believe it or: Be tried for crimes against humanity. Or be branded a criminal. Or Be charged with treason. You ca read the rest.
Most of the great scientists in history have been Christians. Their beliefs were in no way detrimental to their research and work. In fact it highlights one of the core differences between Christianity and Islam. In Christianity God is a rational being who created an ordered universe where physical laws can be discovered through study. Contrast that with Islam which says "Allah's hand is unfettered" which means that Allah is not limited in any way including being limited to being a rational logical being. Because of that, Muslims who try to study the physical world can not make assumptions about physical laws without risking apostacy which is -- punishable by death of course.
That is why even during the Muslim world's time of scientific greatness when Europe was in the dark ages it was non-Muslims within the Muslim world who were making those discoveries because they were not bound by Islamic beliefs. After enough time those non-Mulsim populations were eliminated through attrition or exodus out of Dal-Al-Islam and "Islam's" golden age came to an end and scientific stagnation set in and continues today.
You are implying that Christians' beliefs were in no way detrimental to science!
Tell that to Galileo who was held under house arrest by the Catholic church for proclaiming that the earth revolved around the sun. Galileo figured this out mathematically which his accusers were unable to comprehend.
Now, the same argument exists with creation vs. evolution. The Christians cannot understand the significance of carbon dating, etc... so they would rather believe that plants existed on earth before the sun, moon, or stars were created.
Yeah, kind of like "climate change is settled science" you better believe it or: Be tried for crimes against humanity. Or be branded a criminal. Or Be charged with treason. You ca read the rest.
Your response points to your support of a fascist regime and an inability to see shades of gray.
How so? I won't be waiting for an answer as I know you will not have one.
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Liberals support a woman's right to choose which is vastly different from loving abortion.
My post included the comments to which I was responding. Please reread and resubmit.
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Your take on sodomy laws and gay marriage reads like some kind of Soviet doublespeak.
Explain please. And try not to let your emotions govern your response.
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And your take on the treatment of non-US citizens is rather frightening in that it says you think Americans should be treated better or that foreigners don't deserve the rights afforded all humans by the Geneva Conventions and by common decency itself.
Once again you failed to read the comments to which I was replying. The person I responded to spoke specifically about the US Constitution. Not the Geneva Convention (Which, btw would not apply here as these combatants and terrorists would not fall under the protection of those conventions), nor common decency.
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Christianity is as close to state sponsored as it gets in this country, what a pity you can't acknowledge that.
Christianity is not a state sponsored religion in the USA. There is no religion in this nation that is sponsored by the government
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Opposition to sharia law is practically universal in the non-extremist Muslim world. It is NOT supported by liberals despite how many millions of times conservatives repeat it to themselves and to the walls of the little boxes they live in. But sharia's core horrors are shared by many other religions and especially by those who hold an authoritarian political view.
Core horrors? Do you mean that there are levels of Sharia law that are acceptable and others that are not?
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