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Old 10-13-2010, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Looks like the EPA is either at war, and is intentionally trying to destroy all forms of energy except wind and solar, or they are just really incompetent.

The EPA is causing a slow down in the push for green energy. We have states creating new mandates on power companies and electical coops, demanding that they have a certain percentage of their power coming from renewable sources. Its bad enough that we have the NIMBY crowd stopping the construction of new electrical transmission lines and substations to get the green energy to the customer, but we have the EPA doing their part in this.

Oglethorpe Power Corp. said it has delayed commercial operations by a year for a 100-megawatt biomass-powered plant in Warren County, and is seeking changes in EPA’s proposals so the project can go forward.

“If no significant change is made to the proposed standards, we are not confident that a boiler can be designed that will meet the standard,” Douglas J. Fulle, Oglethorpe Power’s vice president for environmental affairs, said in an Aug. 20 filing with the agency.



NRECA Says Air Rule is Unrealistic, EPA plan could cost utilities $2.8 billion a year



I think the 0bama administration is trying to eliminate coal-fired power plants, by make it impossible for them to remain in operation.

0bama: "So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can, it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

cnsnews.com (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/45698 - broken link)

NRECA has told the Environmental Protection Agency that major parts of its sweeping plan to improve air quality in the East are unworkable and beyond the capabilities of utilities.

In an Oct. 1 filing, NRECA said EPA should rework the rule, which is aimed at controlling airborne emissions of sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxides that contribute to fine particles and ground-level ozone.

EPA estimates the plan will cost utilities $2.8 billion a year.

“As proposed, overall the emission reductions required under both the 2012 and 2014 compliance deadlines are overly optimistic and otherwise unachievable,” NRECA said in its 18-page comment, submitted by Rae Cronmiller, senior principal environmental counsel.
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I know 0bama thinks he is at war with coal, but is he going to use the EPA to attack coal, and any other form of energy that he does not like?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4
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Old 10-13-2010, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I started to go into a long-winded dissertation about how and why the EPA develops and implements air quality standards, but it wouldn't do any good.

So...y'all are right. It's Obama's fault. It's all Obama's fault.
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Old 10-13-2010, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I started to go into a long-winded dissertation about how and why the EPA develops and implements air quality standards, but it wouldn't do any good.

So...y'all are right. It's Obama's fault. It's all Obama's fault.
So the EPA is incompetent, and 0bama would like to destroy coal power plants with his version of cap & trade. Thanks.
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Old 10-13-2010, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Yes. What we should do is continue to burn fuels mined from unfriendly countries, pouring pollution into the air so we must wear masks outside (like parts of Asia), and melt the ice caps so coastal cities are under water.

I guess that is the better solution to trying to control our energy in a smart way.
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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Yes. What we should do is continue to burn fuels mined from unfriendly countries,
All the coal we use is mined here except for tiny fraction, we actually export a lot of coal. There's roughly about 2 centuries worth, it's probably the single biggest source of fossil energy controlled by any nation. The reserves here are equal to Russia and China combined second and third on the list.


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pouring pollution into the air so we must wear masks outside (like parts of Asia),
Places like China and India where these conditions exist have no where near the regulations imposed on coal fired plants and industries here, plus they are using a less desirable product. According to the EPA air pollution from the six most common pollutants has been cut by 50%.





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and melt the ice caps so coastal cities are under water.
False, stop listening to the alarmists news media that feeds you this garbage. While the sea level has shown a steady and very predictable rise in some areas it has also gone down in others.

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The mean sea level trend is 2.77 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence
interval of +/- 0.09 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from
1856 to 2006 which is equivalent to a change of 0.91 feet in 100 years.

Source: Mean Sea Level Trend: The Battery, New York





The mean sea level trend is -3.94 millimeters/year with a 95% confidence
interval of +/- 0.35 mm/yr based on monthly mean sea level data from
1889 to 2003 which is equivalent to a change of -1.29 feet in 100 years.

Source: Mean Sea Level Trend: Stockholm, Sweden
Want to try the other common myths? Radiation? Mercury? LOL....
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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Another good argument for nuclear power!
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:45 PM
 
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Old 10-13-2010, 08:47 PM
 
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he just wants you to live in a cave and surrender any money you may have to him.
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:46 PM
 
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he just wants you to live in a cave and surrender any money you may have to him.
All too true
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