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Nice try tossing in the children issue?... that's one of the main sticking points... If that part has already been implemented... How could they not have read it?...
Nancy Pelosi and many dems have said they have NOT READ THE bill but yet voted for it.
You and I both know they did not read the bill and did not take the time to fine tune it.
All they wanted is to pass something no matter what was in it so they can can say they did something and stand up and cheer it like they did.
They have had total control of our congress for almost 4 years and this is the only thing they have done in all that time and it is not right, not constitutional and not good for Americans.
Sad day when liberals believe they did something good and it turns out to be the worst bill ever passed in our congress ever.
So true the Bush tax cuts lead to an explosion of debt since the increase in revenus where by far to small in relation to the tax cuts.
And there you have it!
Bush 43 cut taxes while waging two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and significantly increasing the size of the federal government. In the meantime the corporations were investing in emerging markets where profits made in those markets are NOT TAXED until the money is repatriated back to the United States. Now why would any company send money back to the United States to be TAXED when they can re-invest it into the FASTEST GROWING ECONOMIES IN THE WORLD?
Nancy Pelosi and many dems have said they have NOT READ THE bill but yet voted for it.
You and I both know they did not read the bill and did not take the time to fine tune it.
All they wanted is to pass something no matter what was in it so they can can say they did something and stand up and cheer it like they did.
They have had total control of our congress for almost 4 years and this is the only thing they have done in all that time and it is not right, not constitutional and not good for Americans.
Sad day when liberals believe they did something good and it turns out to be the worst bill ever passed in our congress ever.
Worst bill ever?... because multi-billion dollar Insurance companies might have one less thing to insure?...
If your rates went up it's because your Insurance Company is gouging you before they have to compete with other Health Insurance plans... Proof that they are preparing for the inevitable...
The Bill hasn't even fully been implemented yet... so why raise your rates now?... because they can't drop children with pre-existing conditions?... Do tell...
The fact that the bill hasnt been fully implemented, doesnt mean that PARTS of it hasnt been enacted.. Even the CBO projected higher costs for insurance companies because of the healthcare bill. Why are you arguing with some anonymous poster claiming that they are being gouged? Shouldnt you be calling the CBO and Obama to tell them that their estimates of costs going up was wrong? You clearly have a higher intelligence level than the CBO and those who do this stuff for a living (cough).. so why dont you try to call those who do the estimates to tell them they are wrong.. Maybe because they were right.. costs are going UP because of the bill.. Stop denying the FACTS of this because even OBAMA said they would go up..
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Stop which spending?... War spending?... How did Bush pay down debt?...
Spending has climbed 21% over the past 2 years, EXCLUDING the bailouts, and stimulus spending. Are you really telling me all of this spending is needed to "maintain" government? Sorry bub but clearly we have a SPENDING problem in Washington thanks to Democrats..
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The level of debt more than doubled under Bush upp from 5.7 to 11.4 trillion.
CONGRESS spends.. not Presidents.. but doubling the debt is something which has taken place during NUMEROUS presidents.. Democrats will triple the debt since they took over Congress in 2007.. Well done!!
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Nice try tossing in the children issue?... that's one of the main sticking points
Its no sticking point.. its already passed
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If that part has already been implemented
it doesnt need to have been implemented to raise costs (even though it has been implemented).. You wouldnt understand even if I tried to explain it to you.
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How could they not have read it?...
Where have you been? There were HUGE debates because the bill was being signed and no one read the bill. The bill wasnt released until HOURS before the bill was signed into law.. NO ONE could possibly have read the bill and understood the ramifications of a bill dealing with 1/6th of the national economy in just a few hours... Listening to your postings trying to educate people on "facts" when you dont even know basic information like this has me really wondering.. Again.. how old are you?
Worst bill ever?... because multi-billion dollar Insurance companies might have one less thing to insure?...
So you are saying that this bill is only to go after those big bad insurance companies? Are you really saying that?
Why not do it right if you are going to fix something instead of passing a bill that makes things worse instead of better?
Why pass a bill that the majority of Americans want repealed?
I know, Nancy and Harry promised if they were elected to the majority they would go after those big bad corporations, take down all those bad insurance companies and go after those bad oil companies for making that awful 2% profit margin.
So it is all about going after corporations and nothing to do with fixing a problem, you said it yourself.
Worst bill ever?... because multi-billion dollar Insurance companies might have one less thing to insure?...
people with -"pre existing" dont need insurance (especially since insurance is just that the GAMBLE that you WONT get sick)..they need health CARE...but the dumbocrats just want you to BUY insurnace or be taxed (fined) on it
So you are saying that this bill is only to go after those big bad insurance companies? Are you really saying that?
Why not do it right if you are going to fix something instead of passing a bill that makes things worse instead of better?
Why pass a bill that the majority of Americans want repealed?
I know, Nancy and Harry promised if they were elected to the majority they would go after those big bad corporations, take down all those bad insurance companies and go after those bad oil companies for making that awful 2% profit margin.
So it is all about going after corporations and nothing to do with fixing a problem, you said it yourself.
It's not about going after the big bad insurance companies... that's how THEY perceive it... It's about having National Health Care... like the other 36 industrialized countries who are ahead of the U.S....
Tax cuts do not cause debt. One cannot have debt if one does not own the money in the first place.
Spending causes debt. It is mind boggling that liberals do not seem to understand that the property and incomes of the American people is not owned by the government in the first place.
Want to cut debt? Stop spending. Increasing taxes does nothing, as the feds will just blow more money, as they always do. Look at even the fake Clinton "surplus". They were falling all over themselves looking to "spend" the "surplus", rather than the unimaginable- paying down the debt.
If you don't grow revenue fast eniough and you increase expenses then you create debt. That's EXACTLY what happen under the Adminstration of Bush 43.
In the year 2000 federal tax revunes where $2.025 trillion dollars, federal outlays were $1.789 trillion dollars.
In 2008 federal tax revenues were $2.534 trillion dollars, federal outlays were $2.982 trillion dollars.
The fact that the bill hasnt been fully implemented, doesnt mean that PARTS of it hasnt been enacted.. Even the CBO projected higher costs for insurance companies because of the healthcare bill. Why are you arguing with some anonymous poster claiming that they are being gouged? Shouldnt you be calling the CBO and Obama to tell them that their estimates of costs going up was wrong? You clearly have a higher intelligence level than the CBO and those who do this stuff for a living (cough).. so why dont you try to call those who do the estimates to tell them they are wrong.. Maybe because they were right.. costs are going UP because of the bill.. Stop denying the FACTS of this because even OBAMA said they would go up..
Spending has climbed 21% over the past 2 years, EXCLUDING the bailouts, and stimulus spending. Are you really telling me all of this spending is needed to "maintain" government? Sorry bub but clearly we have a SPENDING problem in Washington thanks to Democrats..
CONGRESS spends.. not Presidents.. but doubling the debt is something which has taken place during NUMEROUS presidents.. Democrats will triple the debt since they took over Congress in 2007.. Well done!!
Its no sticking point.. its already passed
it doesnt need to have been implemented to raise costs (even though it has been implemented).. You wouldnt understand even if I tried to explain it to you.
Where have you been? There were HUGE debates because the bill was being signed and no one read the bill. The bill wasnt released until HOURS before the bill was signed into law.. NO ONE could possibly have read the bill and understood the ramifications of a bill dealing with 1/6th of the national economy in just a few hours... Listening to your postings trying to educate people on "facts" when you dont even know basic information like this has me really wondering.. Again.. how old are you?
The spending over the past 2 years has been stimulus spending... not War spending under Bush... a fact you always seem to ignore...
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