Another Gay Hate Crime In NY? (how much, high school, terror, parties)
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You can't prosecute someone for hating another person. This "hate crime" nonsense is p.c. driven.
The action is what's prosecutable. The "hate crime" is an added bump to the crime of violence which is p.c. driven.
The only crime committed and prosecutable is the physical violence.
So far there's no "thought police".
But those who take everything according to being politically correct and someone feelings being hurt because they were called a name that makes them feel guilty or abused is what the real issue here is about "hate crimes".
Are you asserting that there is no such thing as a hate crime? Under any circumstances?
Is burning down a predominantly African-American church just another act of arson? Is sexually torturing a gay man with a baseball bat merely an ordinary assault?
And what about terrorism? Was 9-11 simply an act of murder?
Hate crimes are closer to terrorism than they are to ordinary crimes because they are ultimately directed toward a group of people. A person who burns down a black church did not pick the building at random. The target was chosen to intimidate all black people.
The question is not whether the crime is worse than any other similar crime, but whether the crime would have occurred at all had the victim(s) not been part of a particular group.
#1. Are you trying to make the correlation between a skin color committing a crime and an actual individual committing a crime.
No, I'm making a REGIONAL point. Northeastern liberals would like to have you believe that everyone in the South is homophobic racist bigot and they are sooooooo educated and beyond that kind of thing. It's bull.
It was black on white hate crime. The big cheese media heads decided to push the gay agenda instead, you know blame it on gay hate and leave out the part about the victim being white...you know..kinda like the comments "Don't let a good recession go to waste".
Because it had nothing to do with the victim being white. It had to do with the victim being gay.
If I hate Jews and beat them up simply for being Jewish, my motivation is my hatred of Jews. Even if I say nothing during the actual assault, my motive is still hate. Is it any different if I hate gay people?
It has nothing to do with speech as speech.
if you say nothing during the actual assault, there will be particular way to indicate that this was a bias/hate crime.
therefore, no hate crime charges. even though your motivation was the same.
This thread is a mess, someone was hurt and majorly injured for not fitting into the norm and people are worrying about what race the victim and the perpetrators are???? Are you people serious?
if you say nothing during the actual assault, there will be particular way to indicate that this was a bias/hate crime.
therefore, no hate crime charges. even though your motivation was the same.
see the problem here?
It would be more difficult for the prosecutor, but not impossible. The case would depend on the particular circumstances of the offence, prior history of the defendant, etc. It's difficult to see how sodomizing a gay man with a baseball bat could be seen as a neutral act. Context is everything.
I think what people are really concerned about is being charged with a hate crime for (what they regard as) being a jerk.
Do I think the boys in the Long Island case deserve four years in prison? No. Do I think they're hardened homophobes? No. Did they not realize the implications of their actions? Probably.
But that doesn't mean that the case shouldn't be investigated and taken seriously.
UNLESS...if it's white on black crime. Then it is automatically a hate crime.
When the N word is thrown around in the attack......
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