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Old 10-16-2010, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Hades
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I hate to say it, but I think overall, just in terms of percentage of people who hold certain views, Americans are not as understanding and forgiving as Canadians, Australians and Western Europeans.

We still execute people, when almost the entire First World, including Japan, has now stopped, and then we go bash Middle Eastern countries for doing the same things. The vast majority of Americans blindly idolize the troops even when they willingly go fight unjust wars for the Man (not bashing all troops here, just saying you can't totally absolve them of responsibility, especially if they joined post-2001).

Many if not most Americans believe that if you trespass, you deserve to die for it if the land owner wants to kill you, even if you're not threatening them and start running away. And I'm sure many Americans would think the death penalty is a suitable punishment for illegal immigrants.

IDK, it's just plain sick to me. And I'm an American!! Maybe my generation will be different?
Good sentiments and much of it I have wondered for myself.

As for blind idolizing of troops- it is not so blind. A major segment of the populace will gladly "support the troops" under one regime, but then criticize the exact same war efforts under another president. I recall watching a segment on FOX news criticizing Obama and his withdrawal efforts from Iraq and then literally, right after that segment, a piece covering an American company and their joyful return home from Iraq. The two obviously don't need to be connected, though perhaps troops returning home (and not immediately being scheduled to go back to Iraq) is an effect of the new regime. I don't expect anyone on CityData to know the facts behind this, just seemed ironic.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I would guess you are very young and obviously extremely niave and uninfored. I have grandkids that are in the their teens and 20s, they share almost none of your views...

Nita

how am i naive? because i believe we don't need to be vengeful?
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Sounds like the OP is one of many in the past few generations indoctrinated and warehoused in the government run school system. Where they are fed nihilism, pessimism, narcissism, hatred of our great nation, etc. No wonder they heavily voted for the Jackboot in the WH. Yes, "we are the ones we have been waiting for". How profane and repulsive. Narcissism at its best.
our 'great nation'? what are you, a Nazi?
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:21 PM
 
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One of your examples of our lack of compassion is the fact that we have executions. Well why don't you ask the people on death row why they didn't have any compassion before they murdered innocent people? THEY are an example of everything that's wrong with this country. There is not nearly enough judgement and animosity directed at a our nations violent criminals. THEY are the mean ones, THEY are the uncivilized and barbaric not those who wish to to see justice served.The death penalty is rarely used anymore which goes to show we have no compassion towards murder victims and their loved ones.

An hour after I left a supermarket a man walked in and killed every employee and customer he could see. He was chasing the poor people in the freezers before killing them. He did it because he was in a bad mood and wanted to see what it's like to kill. It makes me sick to think it's considered compassionate to take his side and want to keep him and others like him alive. BTW he is still on death row a decade later and more than likely will never get executed in our sick twisted criminal loving culture.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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One of your examples of our lack of compassion is the fact that we have executions. Well why don't you ask the people on death row why they didn't have any compassion before they murdered innocent people? THEY are an example of everything that's wrong with this country. There is not nearly enough judgement and animosity directed at a our nations violent criminals. THEY are the mean ones, THEY are the uncivilized and barbaric not those who wish to to see justice served.The death penalty is rarely used anymore which goes to show we have no compassion towards murder victims and their loved ones.

An hour after I left a supermarket a man walked in and killed every employee and customer he could see. He was chasing the poor people in the freezers before killing them. He did it because he was in a bad mood and wanted to see what it's like to kill. It makes me sick to think it's considered compassionate to take his side and want to keep him and others like im alive. BTW he is still on death row and more than likely will never get executed in our sick twisted criminal loving culture.
The death penalty is not necessary. Life in prison is suitable enough for the worst criminals.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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And I DO think many Americans would think the death penalty was suitable punishment for illegals. The concept of shooting Mexicans at the border before they could enter America would fit well with MANY Americans.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:26 PM
 
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One of your examples of our lack of compassion is the fact that we have executions. Well why don't you ask the people on death row why they didn't have any compassion before they murdered innocent people?
While I am not exactly a fan of the death penalty, I do find the rate of violent crimes in our nation to be intolerable. And for some offenders, it is nauseating and incomprehensible to digest that they are allowed back into "normal" society after some time spent in jail.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:28 PM
 
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And I DO think many Americans would think the death penalty was suitable punishment for illegals. The concept of shooting Mexicans at the border before they could enter America would fit well with MANY Americans.
When they shoot over the border with machineguns to smuggle in their drugs, etc., it's quite reasonable to shoot back.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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While I am not exactly a fan of the death penalty, I do find the rate of violent crimes in our nation to be intolerable. And for some offenders, it is nauseating and incomprehensible to digest that they are allowed back into "normal" society after some time spent in jail.
I kind of think the real problem is that the average person in America is just not that compassionate to begin with. Sorry I sound kind of angry in this thread, it's just I'm so tired to people in this country thinking everything can be solved with a loaded gun. If the average person had more compassion, there wouldn't be so many broken individuals in this country in prison and on death row anyway.
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Old 10-16-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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I kind of think the real problem is that the average person in America is just not that compassionate to begin with. Sorry I sound kind of angry in this thread, it's just I'm so tired to people in this country thinking everything can be solved with a loaded gun. If the average person had more compassion, there wouldn't be so many broken individuals in this country in prison and on death row anyway.
iPwn, I hear you. I really do. I think there are some MASSIVE issues in the US to do with our national psyche and violent tendencies. It's kind of creepy.

US America has a fetish for violence. Plain and simple truth. Our media freaks out over a nipple slip but our young boys and girls can have full access to shooting games at the age of 6 or younger.

I too think that as a country we lack compassion. But no surprise. Some of our parents have had wartime experience, but for the most part, large swaths of the population have never experienced wartime. I shudder to think how we would even manage if the shi* hit the fan. For many these days, its a crisis if they forgot their Blackberry at home. Americans are resilient, I do believe that. But I also believe they are spoiled.

And when it comes to violent imagery, I will say that I DEFINITELY believe we are brainwashed into thinking that violence is totally ok but sexual imagery is not. If you notice in the big bang American productions, sexuality is ok when coupled with violence. Pure, unadulterated sensuality is not so much an element of American media.

If anyone wants to prove me wrong, please do. I don't like this media reality as I portray and would rather hope I am wrong.
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