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Old 10-18-2010, 12:28 PM
 
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Now you know how it feels to be a LIBERAL Democrat. I only get to vote but even when we get a big majority they cannot pass 90% of the liberal agenda.
I understand where you're coming from. This dates me, but in the eloquent words of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young:

And there's a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you cant be with the one you love
Love the one you're with

Meaning...that if you can't be with the one you love--if things aren't perfect from your perspective, then working with the imperfect, as long as you're walking the same road but in different degrees, makes sense in order to get something done. I wish I could take credit for that analogy, but I heard it at a meeting once, and I thought it was brilliant. It's a funny way to make the point, but I think a true one.

The Dem's are trying to move us from an extremist neocon right position in this country more toward the middle. That's progress on your personal political goals, even if it doesn't go as far as you want. I don't personally agree with all of the objectives of the Dems either (from a completely different perspective), but it's the best train I've got right now, so I'm riding it. The alternative doesn't work for me, and I'm a former republican.
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Clearwater Florida
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"The President lays out his agenda to foster investment here at home. "



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppi7KJsSnnE

You do realize that what he's making accusations about are a crime, right? What's next, him personally testifying that he's seen Republicans taking candy right from a baby's mouth? Kennedy wanted the space race, but it was the Republicans that faked the moon landing, those bass turds.
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Old 10-18-2010, 12:44 PM
 
Location: NE CT
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The TP is maily an anti BIG GOVERNMENT movement. Government is out of of control to the people it supposedly represents. Big government doesn't care what you think of them because they have the power and you don't. Both major parties are guilty of annually increasing the size of government. You can't continually increase government size and not expect the cost to increase with it. This is why we have the deficit spending and long term debt big government has racked up in the last 20 years.

You big government supporters who look to government to solve all of your problems may be sorry for what you have created someday. It will surely come back to steal more of your money, take more of your liberty and work to limit your freedom. Since you obviously don't care, have fun, but remember by the time you wake up, it will be too late because the government that was created by the founders will already be gone.

The old saying goes; you don't miss your water till your well runs dry. Folks, the well is dangerously shallow, and it is the TP that has recognized this and is attempting to root it out.

We don't need big government forced upon us from some tiny little District down in Maryland. We need more local control and less mandates from elites who think they know better than the regular folks how to run the lives of everyone from cradle to grave. No thanks to larger and big goverment...
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Old 10-19-2010, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I understand where you're coming from. This dates me, but in the eloquent words of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young:

And there's a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you cant be with the one you love
Love the one you're with

Meaning...that if you can't be with the one you love--if things aren't perfect from your perspective, then working with the imperfect, as long as you're walking the same road but in different degrees, makes sense in order to get something done. I wish I could take credit for that analogy, but I heard it at a meeting once, and I thought it was brilliant. It's a funny way to make the point, but I think a true one.

The Dem's are trying to move us from an extremist neocon right position in this country more toward the middle. That's progress on your personal political goals, even if it doesn't go as far as you want. I don't personally agree with all of the objectives of the Dems either (from a completely different perspective), but it's the best train I've got right now, so I'm riding it. The alternative doesn't work for me, and I'm a former republican.

That is pretty much how I feel. We have a President that says he is for things like gay rights and the Constitution yet directs of Attorney General to defend denial of gay rights in the military and to defend John ********'s illegal detention of American citizens without charges. He passed a health care thing that does not even take effect for 5 years knowing full well it will be repealed by then most likely and he did not fight for a public option at all. Oh, and now he is going to extend the same Bush tax cuts for the rich he called "irresponsible". But you are right. I am stuck with him for now because the alternative is much worse.
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:22 PM
 
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That is pretty much how I feel. We have a President that says he is for things like gay rights and the Constitution yet directs of Attorney General to defend denial of gay rights in the military and to defend John ********'s illegal detention of American citizens without charges. He passed a health care thing that does not even take effect for 5 years knowing full well it will be repealed by then most likely and he did not fight for a public option at all. Oh, and now he is going to extend the same Bush tax cuts for the rich he called "irresponsible". But you are right. I am stuck with him for now because the alternative is much worse.
I'm bothered and concerned about some of those things as well, especially the decision by Eric Holder to defend ********--that really frightens me--and it's moving our judicial stance to a radical position--not where America should be. That's why anyone who calls this administration liberal is a fool--they are center right on some things, moving farther right on others. It's just that the R's have walked off the cliff on the extreme. Again, my stance--everything needs to move back more toward the middle.
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Old 10-19-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: mancos
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The TEA PARTY is not going away on Nov 2nd We are just getting started so get used to us We are Americans
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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I'm bothered and concerned about some of those things as well, especially the decision by Eric Holder to defend ********--that really frightens me--and it's moving our judicial stance to a radical position--not where America should be. That's why anyone who calls this administration liberal is a fool--they are center right on some things, moving farther right on others. It's just that the R's have walked off the cliff on the extreme. Again, my stance--everything needs to move back more toward the middle.
This President is FAR more conservative than I am happy with.
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Old 10-19-2010, 09:30 PM
 
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It's kinda strange to see folks who most adamantly push evolution so against economic evolution while at the same time the people so against evolution pushing hard for it.
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:09 PM
 
Location: California
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That's probably where theory departs from reality. Take a look at the people supporting this "movement." Do you honestly believe they have any interest in the tenets you've described? They're basically just a bunch of yahoos out on a power grab.

They're also nothing new. And I refer to the American Party (often called the Know Nothings) who took the national spotlight in the late 1840s and early 1850s. This "Tea Party" will go the way of the Know Nothings. And just about as quickly.
How many people do you actually know that belong to the Tea Party?
I know more than a few. I went to one of the events with a sign that read "stop the spending", I decided to go from one end to the other and talked to them.
They are not yahoos. They are very realistic, they are working people, I have seen teachers, retirees, small business owners, people who I have seen volunteering to many good causes, before and after that rally.
Just good people that are concerned and have been concerned also during Bush about the spending, and now when it is three times more than what Bush spent, they are out for a change.
They will not fade away as long as there is a need for their actions.
I suggest that next time there is a rally in your area, go and mingle, talk to the people and you will see that they are not yahoos, and they make a lot of sense.
I met there more than a few immigrants from Russia and Cuba. all knew socialism pretty well, and are afraid that this is where we are heading.
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Old 10-22-2010, 06:25 AM
 
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I was actually suprised to read this. I figured that the Tea Party was pretty much a creation of big business. After all they both hate the Democrats and President Obama and they both have the same goals which is to destroy the working people.
But it appears that not even big business can stomach the Tea Party anymore. They are running like scalded jackrabbits from it. They have only endorsed one Tea Party candidate, Marco Rubio, and only because he has pretty much renounced the tea party stands he took to win the primary.

why-business-doesnt-trust-the-tea-party: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance
Earth to KevK... Big Business does not like Tea Party, because it wants BIG Government to help it get even bigger, while the small business gets crushed or otherwise prevented from competing with the big business.

Think about it, if you are a small store owner, with 2 employees, paying each $7/hr, and the government steps in and tells you that you must pay them $9/hr because that the new min. wage, you are going to be forced to make some changes.

BUT ... not if you are a big business.

It's no wonder, therefore, that the biggest companies and the wealthiest Americans tend to support Democrats, not Republicans.

High Tech Industry Gives More Money to Democrats - US News and World Report

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Of the top 10 recipients of money from the computer and Internet industry this election, nine are Democrats. New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer leads with $194,384, followed by Washington Democratic Sen.Patty Murray ($176,973) and New York [COLOR=#005497 ! important][COLOR=#005497 ! important]Democratic[/color][/color] Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand ($161,395). The lone Republican in the top 10 is Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown at number eight with $88,750. [See who gets the most from the computers and Internet industry.]
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Contributions from those associated with Cisco make it the second highest contributor in the industry with $557,919 in donations, 67 percent of which went to Democratic candidates and committees. Google is next, with $456,119 in contributions, 75 percent of which went to Democrats, followed by Intel, with 57 percent of its $373,205 in contributions going to Democrats
The leftist media wants us to believe that the rich are Republicans, which is a convenient lie.
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