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Old 10-18-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Ok, this email came to me today and I wanted your opinion on this. Is it Fact or Fiction? If it's real....WT*


The Time Has Indeed Come!

Governors of 35 states have already filed suit against the Federal Government for imposing unlawful burdens upon them. It only takes 38 (of the 50) States to convene a Constitutional Convention.

This will take less than thirty seconds to read. If you agree, please pass it on.

An idea whose time has come!

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest was to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform ... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law.

I truly don't care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

A Constitutional Convention - this is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come. And, with the advent of modern communication, the process can be moved along with incredible speed. There is talk out there that the "government" doesn't care what the people think. That is irrelevant. It is incumbent on the population to address elected officials to the wrongs afflicted against the populace...you and me. Think about this...
The 26th amendment (granting the right to vote for 18 year-olds) took only 3 months & 8 days to be ratified! Why? Simple! The people demanded it. That was in 1971....before computers, before e-mail, before cell phones, etc. Of the 27 amendments to the Constitution, seven (7) took 1 year or less to become the law of the land ... all because of public pressure.

I'm asking each addressee to forward this Email to a minimum of twenty people on their Address list; in turn ask each of those to do likewise.

In three days, most people in The United States of America will have the message. This is one proposal that really should be passed around..

Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citi zens of the United States ."
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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According to snopes.com---mostly false.

snopes.com: 28th Amendment
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Ok, this email came to me today and I wanted your opinion on this. Is it Fact or Fiction? If it's real....WT*

For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that members of Congress could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest was to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform ... in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn't seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law.
Fiction.

[1] For Congressional retirements, see: http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...22%40%20%20%0A
Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary.
[2] For Congressional exemption from some laws, see: Application of Laws to Congress -- Laws That Do Not Apply to Congress (http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2ai.htm - broken link)

However, much of this was remedied by the passage of the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995.

[3] For Congressional exemption from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the short answer is, that's nonsense. For a much fuller explanation, see: Congress Exempt from Health Bill? | FactCheck.org

From HR 3590:
"MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE. (i) REQUIREMENT. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are (i) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."
And finally, all of this - the email and the responses above - have been covered very nicely here: refuting latest chain email
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Old 10-18-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Fiction.

[1] For Congressional retirements, see: http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...22%40%20%20%0A
Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary.
[2] For Congressional exemption from some laws, see: Application of Laws to Congress -- Laws That Do Not Apply to Congress (http://www.rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2ai.htm - broken link)

However, much of this was remedied by the passage of the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995.

[3] For Congressional exemption from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, the short answer is, that's nonsense. For a much fuller explanation, see: Congress Exempt from Health Bill? | FactCheck.org

From HR 3590:
"MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE. (i) REQUIREMENT. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are (i) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act)."
And finally, all of this - the email and the responses above - have been covered very nicely here: refuting latest chain email
I read some of your links and wonder when those state insurance exchanges that are talked about so much in the Face Check one will be formed up so they can sell something. Somehow, all I see is insurance companies backing out so fast that either the government will have the only company or there will be no competition by the time the law goes into effect.

I keep wondering just how many other laws will be needed to bring this one into effect and to bring in the public option. Do you have any links to any of that?
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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Ok, this email came to me today and I wanted your opinion on this. Is it Fact or Fiction? If it's real....WT*


The Time Has Indeed Come!
....
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citi zens of the United States ."


The time is come to hold our "leaders" accountable to manage a fiscally conservative Government, uphold the Constitution, defend our borders, tell the truth, and serve with integrity. The rest is incidental.

The status quo is dispicable, corrupted, arrogant, and lethal to the future of this once great Nation. These imposters are far too powerful and inept to continue to manage what they have come to regard as their personal Candy Store.

When the citizens truely take a stand and stomach the very difficult choices involved with extricating the Nation from the cesspool in which we have blundered---the better chance we and our children will have.

I won't hold my breath....
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Old 10-18-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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Here's a link to what states have filed for.

The 10th Amendment Nullification Movement – Tenth Amendment Center#cap
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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I read some of your links and wonder when those state insurance exchanges that are talked about so much in the Face Check one will be formed up so they can sell something. Somehow, all I see is insurance companies backing out so fast that either the government will have the only company or there will be no competition by the time the law goes into effect.

I keep wondering just how many other laws will be needed to bring this one into effect and to bring in the public option. Do you have any links to any of that?
Well, the main reason for the individual mandate was to make sure that insurance companies had millions more customers, so that even with the requirements set forth in the law (pre-existing conditions, etc.), insurance companies would be able to make a reasonable profit.

H.R. 3590 spells out all the various implementation timetables, and includes within it all (or close to all) of the changes to other existing laws that are necessary to make each agree with one another (like Medicare and Social Security laws). As far as the state health exchanges are concerned, each state is supposed to roll them out on Jan. 1, 2014. One state already has passed a law to do just that - California. See: California Blazes a Trail for Exchange Implementation - The Commonwealth Fund

The phrase "public option" doesn't exist within H.R. 3590 - regrettably. I think it offered the best alternative to lowering costs.
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Old 10-18-2010, 04:28 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Just my opinion in reading this, it appears not to be true, when it wants you to pass to everyone in the world that you know, i don't trust it, spells scam to me just me. I say false, but who am i.
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