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Originally Posted by VAFury
Well, I'd pretty much narrow it down that "fundamentalists" of any religion tend to be a bit out there.
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BINGO! Maybe I should have asked why do members of various religons believe religion should evelove with the times and others apparently don't? Seems to be the cause of many problems in the world.
The implication is that Muslims (even the educated ones) are all getting together to go on a global jihad against us poor nice Christian folk, driven by the teachings of the Koran.
I think, well hope we all know that yes some Muslims are doing just that.
Probably a lot more than you think but like I've said before I think most are not.
This would also lend one to justify having our entire army in Iraq to squash the Muslim hordes, instead of concentrating on using intelligence (no pun intended) and special forces to thwart specific plots and terrorist finances. If we acknowledge that the terrorists are actually radicals located all over the world then it becomes more difficult to justify why our entire army is sitting in Iraq policing a civil war.
Not entire army but I do think it is a good thing to fight the "Muslim hordes" (who poor in from all over the world) in Iraq.
Well, I'd pretty much narrow it down that "fundamentalists" of any religion tend to be a bit out there.
Many fundamentalist Christians are certainly no better than fundamentalist Muslims. Funny thing is that I think the "Holy War" is between them and at the very least I'll give the respect to the fundamentalist Muslims that they at least seem willing to actually do the fighting in that war....
Sad but true.
I have to ask since you brought this up. Do you know any fundamental Christian teachings I'm talking new testament that would cause or even permit killing other than maybe self defense or military service? I would argue that fundamentalist Christians by definition wouldn't be terrorists.
On the other hand from what I know and have read fundamentalist Muslims are permited to kill or convert non muslims etc and the more secular muslims are more peaceful
I am open to learn, so if I'm wrong about this please show me I'm starting to get interested in the subject.
I have to ask since you brought this up. Do you know any fundamental Christian teachings I'm talking new testament that would cause or even permit killing other than maybe self defense or military service? I would argue that fundamentalist Christians by definition wouldn't be terrorists.
I can't quote chapter and verse, but whatever the pro-life radicals are using to justify killing abortion doctors would be a good start. Also, whatever Timothy McVeigh used to justify blolwing up the federal building in Oklahoma City; I think he called himself a fundamentalist. Then, maybe whatever verses that David Koresh was preaching to the Branch Davidians in Waco, and the same for Jim Jones and whatever he was preaching to the Peoples Temple in Guyana. Give me a few minutes and I'm sure I'll come up with more...
OK, here's a quote: "In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders." Who said that? Adolph Hitler, and the vipers and adders to which he was referring were Jews.
The Ku Klux Klan considered themselves a Christian organization.
I can't quote chapter and verse, but whatever the pro-life radicals are using to justify killing abortion doctors would be a good start. Also, whatever Timothy McVeigh used to justify blolwing up the federal building in Oklahoma City; I think he called himself a fundamentalist. Then, maybe whatever verses that David Koresh was preaching to the Branch Davidians in Waco, and the same for Jim Jones and whatever he was preaching to the Peoples Temple in Guyana. Give me a few minutes and I'm sure I'll come up with more...
OK, here's a quote: "In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders." Who said that? Adolph Hitler, and the vipers and adders to which he was referring were Jews.
The Ku Klux Klan considered themselves a Christian organization.
Hi oldtimer, thanks for trying but your post really has nothing to do with my queston.
Anyone who could justify the killing of the 7 abortionist who have been killed in North America over the past 30 years would not be a fundimentalist Christian (as in one who follows the new testament) Remember I can say that I am liberal but our actions speak louder than words so anyone who knows me wouldn't believe it.
But if you can find something in the new testament that would justify it please let me know. The same goes for Timothy McVeigh,David Koresh or the KKK.
Do you agree with Hitler about that verse or could he have been insane? Even if you do I don't buy it there is just no way those word could inspire a Christian to kill six million plus people and it's obvious that he was not a Christian.
I admit that I haven't read the whole new testament and even less of the quran. So if some has any facts that contradict my previous post I would really like to read about it.
Well, I'd pretty much narrow it down that "fundamentalists" of any religion tend to be a bit out there.
Many fundamentalist Christians are certainly no better than fundamentalist Muslims. Funny thing is that I think the "Holy War" is between them and at the very least I'll give the respect to the fundamentalist Muslims that they at least seem willing to actually do the fighting in that war....
Sad but true.
I think we have to ask ourselves the following question: If an Muslim army conquered the USA, would we have Christian suicide bombers?
I have to ask since you brought this up. Do you know any fundamental Christian teachings I'm talking new testament that would cause or even permit killing other than maybe self defense or military service? I would argue that fundamentalist Christians by definition wouldn't be terrorists.
On the other hand from what I know and have read fundamentalist Muslims are permited to kill or convert non muslims etc and the more secular muslims are more peaceful
I am open to learn, so if I'm wrong about this please show me I'm starting to get interested in the subject.
Thanks
Well I'm referring more to actions than teachings here. I offer up Northern Ireland as my example of how Christians get out of hand. Perhaps I should use the term "Zealot" instead of "Fundamentalist" but for the purposes of this discussion I was kind of using them interchangably....
Well I'm referring more to actions than teachings here. I offer up Northern Ireland as my example of how Christians get out of hand. Perhaps I should use the term "Zealot" instead of "Fundamentalist" but for the purposes of this discussion I was kind of using them interchangably....
Thanks that makes sense.
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