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Maybe the illusion that gods had something to do with it is important for some people in order to consider certain things special and inalienable. When one regards rights etc. as something merely granted by fellow humans (which they are, of course), they can be challenged and revoked more easily.
Someone graciously allows you to live? By default you'd die unless someone kept you alive?
Some graciously allows you liberty? If they didn't grant you liberty you would, by default, be imprisoned?
Someone grants you the pursuit to be happy? By default you would automatically be sad or depressed and unable to change that?
Someone graciously allows you to live? By default you'd die unless someone kept you alive?
Some graciously allows you liberty? If they didn't grant you liberty you would, by default, be imprisoned?
Someone grants you the pursuit to be happy? By default you would automatically be sad or depressed and unable to change that?
You exaggerate quite a bit, but basically yes. Among animals for instance there is no right to live etc. If another animal comes along and manages to kill you, that's it. No investigation, no law suit, nothing
Well, indirectly it does. For instance 'creator' obviously excludes polytheistic religions, also those who believe in a creatress, and all those who believe the world was not created by anyone
No one forces anyone to believe the DOI. Take it, or leave it, but this country was foudned upon its principles and if someone doesn't like it, well too bad. It is what it is and if someone doesn't believe what is written in there, then tough.
The FF wrote the document and wrote what they meant; and they meant that rights come from the "creator". Don't like it. So what. Then go figure where your rights come but in the US, they come from the creator. It is written in plain English DIRECTLY in the DOI.
You are right i dont get it as i'm not from America,Educate me, when you talk of creator are we talking God or the guy who wrote the DOI, if God then he doesnt grant any rights other than the possibility of being born and the certainty of death, he really doesnt care about whats written on the DOI...
So, you know the mind of God?
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No one forces anyone to believe the DOI. Take it, or leave it, but this country was foudned upon its principles and if someone doesn't like it, well too bad. It is what it is and if someone doesn't believe what is written in there, then tough.
The FF wrote the document and wrote what they meant; and they meant that rights come from the "creator". Don't like it. So what. Then go figure where your rights come but in the US, they come from the creator. It is written in plain English DIRECTLY in the DOI.
Obama apparently is among those who don't like it, and seems like he doesn't believe what is written there.
It is a sad state for people in countries whose leaders do not believe in a power greater than themselves. Take a look around the world at different countries and you won't have difficulty identifying those who believe the power to grant "rights" is in the hands of the powerful rulers. That's true throughout history and one can clearly see it at work in today's world. When we are willing to submit to man's definition of rights, we're doomed to the same fate.
Sounds like some people here wouldn't mind if America became like that, with the government wielding more and more power over the population. They don't stop to think that when the rights of conservatives they dislike are trampled, so will be the rights of the liberal left.
Obama apparently is among those who don't like it, and seems like he doesn't believe what is written there.
It is a sad state for people in countries whose leaders do not believe in a power greater than themselves. Take a look around the world at different countries and you won't have difficulty identifying those who believe the power to grant "rights" is in the hands of the powerful rulers. That's true throughout history and one can clearly see it at work in today's world. When we are willing to submit to man's definition of rights, we're doomed to the same fate.
Sounds like some people here wouldn't mind if America became like that, with the government wielding more and more power over the population. They don't stop to think that when the rights of conservatives they dislike are trampled, so will be the rights of the liberal left.
I suspect what it boils down to, is some people think they know better than the FF and the basis on which this country was founded in the 18th century. This fits the mold of some Liberal's mind set we see today in government. It needs to be condemned and rooted out so we can identify those who wish to do end runds around our rights, liberty and freedom through the political and legislative process.
I would not call this encroachment so much as restrictions. We all understand you can't yell fire in a crowded theater and call it free speech. We all should understand that convicted criminals surrender part their "rights" through restrictions on them when they break the law.
No one forces anyone to believe the DOI. Take it, or leave it, but this country was foudned upon its principles and if someone doesn't like it, well too bad. It is what it is and if someone doesn't believe what is written in there, then tough.
The FF wrote the document and wrote what they meant; and they meant that rights come from the "creator". Don't like it. So what. Then go figure where your rights come but in the US, they come from the creator. It is written in plain English DIRECTLY in the DOI.
Back when that stuff was written basically everyone was religious, but those times have changed quite a bit and will continue to do so... Why not adapt to the modern times?
Back when that stuff was written basically everyone was religious, but those times have changed quite a bit and will continue to do so... Why not adapt to the modern times?
You folks obviously have no clue about the history of why this nation was even founded or else you wouldn't be questioning why they thought it best if your rights were indisputable. If your rights truly come from someone else then they're up for grabs.
You can come get your rights card from me tomorrow but I don't think you deserve the pursuit of happiness part. Bring $30.00 too.
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