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Old 10-23-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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That is only if you are a Keynesian and are manipulating the money supply and tryiing to "stimulate" the economy by government spending money it doesn't have! By now we should have seen that Keynes was wrong. His theories don't work. Causing inflation by printing money only makes matters worse by robbing Americans of purchasing power. It is STEALING from Americans without them realizing it.

Don't we have high inflation in food prices (and getting worse) and high unemployement (and getting worse) now???
Consumer Price Index

Go look for yourself...

I'd also like to reiterate:
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What Makes Money Valuable?
In the United States neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities. Intrinsically, a dollar bill is just a piece of paper, deposits merely book entries. Coins do have some intrinsic value as metal, but generally far less than their face value.
What, then, makes these instruments - checks, paper money, and coins - acceptable at face value in payment of all debts and for other monetary uses? Mainly, it is the confidence people have that they will be able to exchange such money for other financial assets and for real goods and services whenever they choose to do so.
Money, like anything else, derives its value from its scarcity in relation to its usefulness. Commodities or services are more or less valuable because there are more or less of them relative to the amounts people want. Money's usefulness is its unique ability to command other goods and services and to permit a holder to be constantly ready to do so. How much money is demanded depends on several factors, such as the total volume of transactions in the economy at any given time, the payments habits of the society, the amount of money that individuals and businesses want to keep on hand to take care of unexpected transactions, and the forgone earnings of holding financial assets in the form of money rather than some other asset.
http://www.rayservers.com/images/Mod...yMechanics.pdf
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:04 PM
 
Location: SC
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Consumer Price Index

Go look for yourself...

I'd also like to reiterate:
http://www.rayservers.com/images/Mod...yMechanics.pdf
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Whatever "literature" came out of the Federal Reserve we should all take with a grain of salt. People are quickly losing confidence in our dollar. It is losing value because of stupid quantitative easing added to the fact that it isn't backed by anything scarce. It is printed out of thin air and Congress doesn't even have any control over what goes on in the FED. How can we possibly have anything resembling "confidence" in our currency when we can't see what goes on there?

The Federal Reserve and the IRS should be abolished anyway. We got along fine without them until President Wilson allowed the Federal Reserve Act which was nothing more than what has amounted to an ongoing license to steal from Americans combined with the similarly unconstitutional establishment of the IRS. The two go hand in hand.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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Jim Rogers had some interesting comments on our economy; the handling of it by Ben Bernanke and how to protect yourself from worsening economic times in a question and answer session at the Mises Institute. You need to press the play button How I See the World Today: Question and Answer Period - Jim Rogers - Mises Media(Audio File)
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Whatever "literature" came out of the Federal Reserve we should all take with a grain of salt. People are quickly losing confidence in our dollar. It is losing value because of stupid quantitative easing added to the fact that it isn't backed by anything scarce. It is printed out of thin air and Congress doesn't even have any control over what goes on in the FED. How can we possibly have anything resembling "confidence" in our currency when we can't see what goes on there?

The Federal Reserve and the IRS should be abolished anyway. We got along fine without them until President Wilson allowed the Federal Reserve Act which was nothing more than what has amounted to an ongoing license to steal from Americans combined with the similarly unconstitutional establishment of the IRS. The two go hand in hand.
You know what happened to the last man that actively tried to abolish the Federal Reserve. And none since have tried.

There's Ron Paul, but he's been spun to be an oddball and written off.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:19 PM
 
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Whatever "literature" came out of the Federal Reserve we should all take with a grain of salt. People are quickly losing confidence in our dollar. It is losing value because of stupid quantitative easing added to the fact that it isn't backed by anything scarce. It is printed out of thin air and Congress doesn't even have any control over what goes on in the FED. How can we possibly have anything resembling "confidence" in our currency when we can't see what goes on there?

The Federal Reserve and the IRS should be abolished anyway. We got along fine without them until President Wilson allowed the Federal Reserve Act which was nothing more than what has amounted to an ongoing license to steal from Americans combined with the similarly unconstitutional establishment of the IRS. The two go hand in hand.
You want to rely on a scarcity like gold? Maybe oil? You have to understand that anything that we rely on that is not infinite requires an abolition of two things, immigration and an affinity for pro-life.

If you rely on a scarce commodity like gold you have to be able to mine it as fast, if not faster than population growth. That's not going to happen now or in the future. If you wish America to be prosperous then you have to realize our monetary system can't be founded on something that requires people be in caves and mines to keep it running. We can't mine enough gold fast enough to keep in line with those people that still see this nation as a shining city upon a hill. Those words written on the statue of liberty will mean nothing.

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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command[
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
http://www.libertystatepark.com/emma.htm
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: SC
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rbohm said:

<<if we get into deflation, then wages will stagnate, prices will stagnate, and production will suffer as a result. that means fewer jobs. why would someone go out and buy a new car at say $25k when all they have to do is wait for a few months, and the same car will be $20k?>>

First of all, when can you recall a time when there was ever a problem of deflation anywhere that was so devastating it crippled an economy? Secondly, there has been more inflation than deflation, since inflation is good for governments. When a currency fails and prices fall it is just a return to normal prices not deflation.

What is so terrible about lower prices if it means more sales generating more revenue anyway? Inflation is far worse when prices are so high no one can afford to buy the product to begin with. IT IS JUST COMMON SENSE for Pete's Sake!

You said:

<<manufacturing in not dead in this country. take ford products assembled in mexico for instance, the parts are made here, and sent to assembly plants in mexico, then the finished product is sent back here for sale. why? because it is cheaper to do it that way.>>

It would be more profitable AND cheaper if it was done the way it USED to be done in this country before the government stuck its nose in everything and before the unions took so much control. Sorry but your argument is weak. Do you see the Germans or the Japanese doing what we do?

You said:

<<we grow plenty of food in this country, the problem is that we dont grow enough.>>

Why do you think that is???? I'll tell you why. It is like you said with building cars... it is cheaper to import because there is less US Govt involvement which costs money. But it doesn't help production in this country when it is MORE expensive to grow our own food than it is to import it. Don't you think there is something WRONG with that picture????
Perhaps, the reason, as I've said before over and over and over is that government has gotten too da%&n big and obtrusive????

All we need to do is look back and see what we were doing right when we were the largest creditor nation not the largest debtor nation as we are now...and stop doing what we are doing now and GO BACK to doing what we did then.



You said:

<<you have one problem here with this example. it is NOT one of deflation, but rather cost cutting in the extreme. the cost of building computer components has fallen substantially each year until the biggest cost is the labor for putting the components together, and installing the operating systems and other programs.>>

That was just used to illustrate that the lowering of costs in deflationary times is NOT the end of the world and can be good for both businesses and consumers. I never said that computer costs were lowed due to inflation nor did I say that they were cutting costs. I just tried to point out that businesses that lower costs and improve their products at the same time are not hurt by it... like for some reason some posters are wrongly convinced is the case.

Deflation brings INCREASED purchasing power for us which is who we need to be first and foremost concerned about.


You said:

<<again the issue isnt deflation, but rather cutting costs, a big difference. inflation is not a job killer, but excessive inflation is>>

Lowering prices was the issue so many seemed to be concerned about in deflation not "cutting costs" and it really isn't as bad a problem as everything that comes with inflation, namely that food and utilities are more expensive. It costs a lot more just to get by. That effects everyone! It certainly doesn't make jobs more plentiful either.
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Old 10-23-2010, 08:50 PM
 
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You know what happened to the last man that actively tried to abolish the Federal Reserve. And none since have tried.

There's Ron Paul, but he's been spun to be an oddball and written off.
He never tried to abolish it. He got a bill resoundingly passed in the House to Audit the Federal Reserve and he has raised everyone's awareness about them. In so doing he is now the GO TO GUY in Washington when any media person wants an explanation of the latest developments as concerns our economy. If that is being written off, being written off isn't so bad. Just go to YouTube and see how many news clips and interviews he's done on an ongoing basis since after the elections.

People are hungry for the TRUTH and they now know that he is one of the few elected officials who not only is truthful but has a clue as to what is going on...as he always has had.
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:10 PM
 
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ovcatto,

I fail to see where, as the link to the article you sent says, that deflation has been the "culprit". How in Heaven's name can anyone honestly say we've been experiencing deflation when it has been just the opposite.

Articles like that make no sense when you think about what they are saying and are more about brainwashing than anything else.
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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He never tried to abolish it. He got a bill resoundingly passed in the House to Audit the Federal Reserve and he has raised everyone's awareness about them. In so doing he is now the GO TO GUY in Washington when any media person wants an explanation of the latest developments as concerns our economy. If that is being written off, being written off isn't so bad. Just go to YouTube and see how many news clips and interviews he's done on an ongoing basis since after the elections.

People are hungry for the TRUTH and they now know that he is one of the few elected officials who not only is truthful but has a clue as to what is going on...as he always has had.
Sadly not enough knew that before 2008.
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Old 10-23-2010, 09:19 PM
 
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With all due respect you're wrong. Just check the CPI if you think inflation is the cause of all of our problems. Consumer Price Index
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