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Old 10-24-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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Goods and Services

The U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, through the Department of Commerce,
announced today that total August exports of $153.9 billion and imports of $200.2 billion resulted
in a goods and services deficit of $46.3 billion, up from $42.6 billion in July, revised. August
exports were $0.3 billion more than July exports of $153.5 billion. August imports were $4.1 billion
more than July imports of $196.1 billion.
Economic Indicators.gov

That's not the right direction...
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Not true at all. Make them start paying the legal costs of deportation hearings or let the choose the pretty cheap option of voluntary departure. A full bus taking them to the border costs only the gasoline or diesel and the driver and a couple INS agents we're paying anyhow.

The cost of free healthcare, free hospital care, free education, and unlimited family chain migration, plus some kind of government retirement program for them as they retire from working is extremely costly.
Well, the Center for American Progress today released the first-ever cost assessment of a mass deportation policy for the 10 million undocumented persons currently in the country and the 500,000 that successfully cross the border each year. And guess what? It would essentially drain the Treasury. The data analysis estimates the cost to be at least $206 billion over 5 years ($41.2 billion annually), and could be as high as $230 billion. We arrived at this number even after assuming that 2 million of the 10 million would leave on their own–a pretty large assumption.

To put $41 billion in perspective, that would exceed the entire annual budget of the Dept of Homeland Security ($34.2 billion) and more the double the annual cost of the war in Afghanistan ($16.8 billion).

ThinkProgress » The High Cost of Deportation

Yep, doesn't cost anything at all.

And how are you going to make them pay for it? What happens if the don't, jail again? Costs more there too. How are you going to make Mexico pay for it? Go to war if they don't, sanctions? Yeah, thats going to happen.

Lets be realistic here. Its nice to say "deport all of the illegals" or "make them leave on their own", but those aren't in the realm of reality.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:44 AM
 
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The U.S. current-account deficit—the combined balances on trade in goods
and services, income, and net unilateral current transfers—increased to $123.3
billion (preliminary) in the second quarter of 2010, from $109.2 billion (revised)
in the first quarter of 2010. The increase was the fourth consecutive quarterly
increase since the deficit of $84.4 billion in the second quarter of 2009, which
was the smallest deficit since the third quarter of 1999. The increase was more
than accounted for by an increase in the deficit on goods. Increases in the
surpluses on services and income and a drop in net unilateral current transfers
were partly offsetting.
Economic Indicators.gov

That's not the right direction either...

So what can we all gather from that information? Things aren't looking so hot. What can we do about it? There is $3 trillion sitting within our shores waiting for the right policies. There is $10 trillion sitting around world wide waiting for the right policies. Do you like what's going on right now where our current administration is anti-business or do you think we should try to capitalize on all those trillions sitting around?

And no "sharing the wealth" won't get us out of this mess.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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Read the link I posted before. The cost of enforcement is around par with the cost of keeping them here now.

Now you could say "if we spent more on enforcement, we'd pay less" which could be true, but not likely. I could also say "If we legalized them, they'd pay taxes, and we'd have less enforcement costs".
There are other "costs" associated with them being here that are hidden.. For example, does the costs for them being here include the cost to millions of americans unemployment? How about increased welfare costs as well for americans who have no option but to collect because they have no jobs..
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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There are other "costs" associated with them being here that are hidden.. For example, does the costs for them being here include the cost to millions of americans unemployment? How about increased welfare costs as well for americans who have no option but to collect because they have no jobs..
Millions of Americans aren't doing those jobs. They aren't moving to the country to pick fruit.

Are you going to give them money to move? Probably not.

You want to kick hard working, family people out, and try and motivate people who are lazy and can't move?

Again, lets focus on the realm of reality.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:41 PM
 
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On the conrary, which was proved by Clinton. When you cure the deficits, the economy cures because you STOP BORROWING.. Where exactly do you think the money comes from to run the deficits? They take it OUT of the economy so it CANT BE SPENT... When you are running deficits, you RUIN the economy because its BORROWED funds. If the government is consuming the money in circulation then the public sector cant and without money, YOU CANT RECOVER..

There is only $x in circulation.. You either have to print more, which devalues the dollar, you allow the public sector to spend it, or the government to spend it.. You both cant be spending the same dollar at the same time..
You should be thanking the Republican congress not Clinton.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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Millions of Americans aren't doing those jobs. They aren't moving to the country to pick fruit.
They arent doing the jobs because they arent paying acceptable wages, and they arent paying acceptable wages because they dont have to. There are plenty of people willing to work for poverty..
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Are you going to give them money to move? Probably not.
Give who money to move? Illegals found their way here without money, why would we pay to move them again? Or are you talking about americans who will move in order to support their families? If you doubt this your the one not talking reality. People move daily to better jobs to support their families. Heck you have college kids moving across the country to become $100K in debt to obtain an education, you dont think they will move for income instead of debt?
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You want to kick hard working, family people out, and try and motivate people who are lazy and can't move?

Again, lets focus on the realm of reality.
Reality is people would rather be earning wages than sitting on unemployment. They will move to where the jobs are. If you dont understand this then you are the one not focusing on reality.
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You should be thanking the Republican congress not Clinton.
I'm thankful for a Republican congress under Clinton almost daily. its a shame they did a 180 on fiscal policies when Bush took over.
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