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Old 10-24-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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California proves its collective ignorance and stupidity yet again. Partisanship at all costs. Honestly, we couldn't be more provincial and closed-minded in this state if we tried.
I think most are just pot heads there and will be happy no matter what if they can lay around getting high. Just give them their legal pot and tax it - their state budget problems should be over.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:24 AM
 
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After 20 months of BO people are hurting and afraid for their future. Obama's big government approach is scaring business so they are afraid to expand and hire.

I believe that BO wants the American economic system to fail so that people will have no choice but to rely on big government.


Some believe the moon to be made of green cheese and the earth to be flat.
Blaming Obama for Bushes destruction is about as rational, indeed more rational than thinking Bush's 4x tripling of the national debt was some model of small government.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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Some believe the moon to be made of green cheese and the earth to be flat.
Blaming Obama for Bushes destruction is about as rational, indeed more rational than thinking Bush's 4x tripling of the national debt was some model of small government.
And do the people of California really think Obama has lowered the national debt?
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:50 AM
 
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From 2001-2007 Congress had Republican majority.

From your reply #13 - yes, thank you for establishing my point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_d...tes_Congresses

Between 2007 and 2009 transitioning toward Obama's administration, Obama inherited a situation where Democrats gained the majority in congress, which is tied to funding, hearings, yada yada.

The Dems were in a position to do something, but basically let it go forward. Or simply ignored what was going on around them. Honestly, that's believable, because if many or most Dems did not read through the recent Health Care bill, that's probably their MO.

So near the beginning of the dominos falling, it more or less falls back to Rs and Ds.

Remember, Obama gained office in 2009, not 2007. If the Dems had worked on economic issues in 2008 with the fervor they rammed health care through in 2010, Bush's name wouldn't even be a consideration for a scapegoat.


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Old 10-24-2010, 09:51 AM
 
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It is human nature to blame someone when things go wrong.
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Old 10-24-2010, 10:14 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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It is human nature to blame someone when things go wrong.
Thus the obvious popularity of naming a child, "The Other Guy."
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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After 20 months of BO people are hurting and afraid for their future. Obama's big government approach is scaring business so they are afraid to expand and hire.

I believe that BO wants the American economic system to fail so that people will have no choice but to rely on big government.
After 20 months of Barack Obama, my net worth is the highest it's ever been. The losses to my investment portfolio which occurred in 2008 under Bush have all been recovered....and then some. I attribute the recovery to Obama's policies that have stabilized the economy. Unemployment is still high, but that is reversing as well, and private sector employment has been steadily growing. I am a small business owner myself (partner of a medical group), and we couldn't find any takers to fill our job openings that pay $200K (internal medicine, our lowest paying opening).
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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After 20 months of Barack Obama, my net worth is the highest it's ever been. The losses to my investment portfolio which occurred in 2008 under Bush have all been recovered....and then some. I attribute the recovery to Obama's policies that have stabilized the economy. Unemployment is still high, but that is reversing as well, and private sector employment has been steadily growing. I am a small business owner myself (partner of a medical group), and we couldn't find any takers to fill our job openings that pay $200K (internal medicine, our lowest paying opening).
If we look at the exceptions to the rule, it can be deceiving. And likewise with just the unemployment number. Overall, economy and portfolios averaged together have suffered.

Likewise we can find a few who have seen reduced health care insurance rates. But all in all, the average rates are already on the rise.

As for unemployement, going on that number alone, it really has not reversed - not within margin of error. It actually got worse once or twice last month in September.

If we look at the world or reality which includes the underemployed and people off the unemployement rolls who may have quit looking, the real unemployment situation is apparently as bad if not worse.
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Old 10-24-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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If we look at the exceptions to the rule, it can be deceiving. And likewise with just the unemployment number. Overall, economy and portfolios averaged together have suffered.

Likewise we can find a few who have seen reduced health care insurance rates. But all in all, the average rates are already on the rise.

As for unemployement, going on that number alone, it really has not reversed - not within margin of error. It actually got worse once or twice last month in September.

If we look at the world or reality which includes the underemployed and people off the unemployement rolls who may have quit looking, the real unemployment situation is apparently as bad if not worse.
Health insurance premium rates have been on the rise - even before Obama became president. Double digit annual increases have been the norm for a decade. Hence the health care reform law. This year's increases are due to the fact that health insurers are exploiting the window to raise rates before 2014 when the law goes into full effect.

For unemployment rates - look at trends, not one or two isolated data points in one or two months. The trend is clear: private sector employment is recovering from the nadir of January 2009. The thing keeping the unemployment rate up is, ironically, the massive losses in government jobs. But isn't this exactly what the conservatives want: a reduction in the size of government? Well, you are getting it under Obama. So what are you people complaining about?

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Old 10-24-2010, 12:05 PM
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So if I understand the Republican story it goes like this...

When President Bush was in office his tax cuts, Wall Street deregulation and implementation of two wars in which the U.S. borrows $3 billion a day to fund, didn't negatively effect the economy whatsoever. Also, the claims from economist that the recession started in 2007 are false. And the banks collapsing and stock markets crashing actually took place during Obama's term, but liberal news medias have formed a great complex conspiracy to convince everyone that those events happened in 2008 during GWB's term.

Good story Republicans
they tend to have a feeble grasp on reality don't they?

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Health insurance premium rates have been on the rise - even before Obama became president. Double digit annual increases have been the norm for a decade. Hence the health care reform law. This year's increases are due to the fact that health insurers are exploiting the window to raise increases before 2014 when the law goes into full effect.

For unemployment rates - look at trends, not one or two isolated data points in one or two months. The trend is clear: private sector employment is recovering from the nadir of January 2009. The thing keeping the unemployment rate up is, ironically, the massive losses in government jobs. But isn't this exactly what the conservatives want: a reduction in the size of government? Well, you are getting it under Obama. So what are you people complaining about?
Nice post.

To many Obama-haters, whatever the republican politicians/pundits say is the truth. It's like a fad or something, based largely on misconceptions, half-truths, complete bulls#!t, etc: OBAMA HUSSEIN THE KENYAN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT MUSLIM SOCIALIST EXTREMIST IS KILLIN MAH AMURRICA!!! Oh yeah, Obama started the recession too by influencing our dear holy leader Bush with his evil Muslim mind control rays, don't you know?

It's like they have a hive-mind, and collective memory loss of the events that occurred in the years before Obama was president.

Then there are the people who think that because Obama didn't fix the country into a magic, happy, pixie land in one week, that he's somehow failing. Even doing it in one to two years, with all the republican opposition no-less, would be pretty hard, as we've seen.

Obama is definitely not perfect, and maybe even all that "change" crap was just a selling point for him during the election (the nation's political climate isn't very conducive to "change" anyways though, which is playing into it if Obama IS more than your typical lying politician, and actually means to really change things)...but i can't stand to see people defend Bush and then blame Obama for the crap inherited from the Bush years.

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