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The Country still isn't intellectually ready for a Public Health Care system. The economics, will eventually demand it. The new HC Law is just a stop gap to that eventual certainty
I got news for you, if the Supreme Court rules Obamcare unconstitution, we might NEVER get a national healthcare system in place. Obama would have pushed your agenda back hundreds of years..
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It just helps cut down the cost of the privatized system we have.
It did not.. According to the CBO it INCREASED the cost of the privatized system.. Why do you keep ignoring reality?
Great.. now point out ANYWHERE in the Constitution where INDIVIDUAL concerns for the FEDERAL government.. Name ONE sentence in Constitution to justify the feds being concerned about YOU...
Wrong.. its because their nation doesnt share our constitution and they have different limits on their federal government. You wanting our country to be the same as every other country is meaningless.. Again YOUR wishes is not the governments concern..
Dont care.. We arent discussing other countries opinions of our government, and no where in the Constitution does it take other countries opinions into consideration. Stay on topic..
Point out in the Constitution where it says that WE THE PEOPLE are banned from Universal Healthcare. Point out in the Constitution where our elected Congress is banned from voting on Universal Healthcare.
I do care what other nations with Western Democracies have been doing for decades that proves to be the best healthcare coverage system for all. It makes America look cruel and foolish that we are so behind on this issue, just because of greedy profiteers getting in the way.
Point out in the Constitution where it says that WE THE PEOPLE are banned from Universal Healthcare. Point out in the Constitution where our elected Congress is banned from voting on Universal Healthcare.
10th amendment.. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
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I do care what other nations with Western Democracies have been doing for decades that proves to be the best healthcare coverage system for all.
They no where close to having "the best".. If they did, so many wouldn't come here for care..
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It makes America look cruel and foolish that we are so behind on this issue, just because of greedy profiteers getting in the way.
Ahh, more complaints about greedy profiteering.. Tell me why you approve of Obacare because it INCREASES costs..
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Healthcare most certainly is a societal AND individual issue, that is why it is called UNIVERSAL Healthcare in all other Western Civilized Nations. They know the monumental importance to society to have healthcare for ALL its citizens. These other nations look at America and scratch their heads in bewilderment why we are so backwards and profit-motivated when it comes to healthcare insurance, instead of people-motivated as our own Constitution is. They wonder why American society is so archaic when it comes to this issue.
10th amendment.. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
They no where close to having "the best".. If they did, so many wouldn't come here for care..
Ahh, more complaints about greedy profiteering.. Tell me why you approve of Obacare because it INCREASES costs..
Federal laws SUPERCEDE state laws. In other words if there is NO federal law on the books, then the state can make a law. If the federal and state laws conflict, the federal law IS the final authority.
' The Supremacy Clause is a clause in the United States Constitution, Article VI, Section 1, Clause 2. This clause asserts and establishes the Constitution, the federal laws made in pursuance of the Constitution, and treaties made by the United States with foreign nations as "the Supreme Law of the Land" (using modern capitalization). ...'
10th amendment.. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
They no where close to having "the best".. If they did, so many wouldn't come here for care..
Ahh, more complaints about greedy profiteering.. Tell me why you approve of Obacare because it INCREASES costs..
Because greedy corporations are always going to find loopholes in any laws that regulate corporate healthcare insurance, because they still exist...THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO GET RID OF CORPORATE INSURANCE, OUTLAW THEM, just like every Western Civilized Democracy on Earth has (except USA).
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One major manufacturer says they would hate to be first but they would certainly be a fast second. Here is a good piece with both sides equally pointed out.
GOPUSA » News » More employers consider dropping health coverage (http://www.gopusa.com/news/2010/10/more-employers-consider-dropping-health-coverage.php - broken link)
That is fine with me. It will speed up the day hopefully that we get a full public system like the rest of the developed world has had for decades.
Federal laws SUPERCEDE state laws. In other words if there is NO federal law on the books, then the state can make a law. If the federal and state laws conflict, the federal law IS the final authority.
Wrong.. While federal laws supercede state laws, federal laws have to be LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL. Since Congress refused to authorize insurance companies to cross state borders, Congress gave up jurisdiction and authorization to regulate interstate commerce. In addition, nothing allows the government to DEMAND you take part in commerce.. They can not regulate NO COMMERCE taking place, let alone commerce inside individuals states..
In addition, federal laws are not always "final authority".. Often times states create laws very similar to federal laws, such as drug distribution and the federal government gives up the right to prosecute so individuals can be prosecuted inside the states.
Your reply is flawed because there is no conflict of laws taking place.
Because greedy corporations are always going to find loopholes in any laws that regulate corporate healthcare insurance, because they still exist...
If you oppose greedy corporations, you should OPPOSE Obama care.. It INCREASES costs and profits. Why else do you think insurance companies supported it?
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THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO GET RID OF CORPORATE INSURANCE, OUTLAW THEM, just like every Western Civilized Democracy on Earth has (except USA).
They have not.. Other countries continue to offer corporate insurance because people find government insurance not adequate..
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