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Originally Posted by delusianne
Um, about the speech, I gave you the two sentences that you heard. I wasn't saying you didn't "hear it loud and clear." Do you understand why they took them out of the transcripts?
Do you understand why the RW media tried -- successfully in your case -- to sidetrack you from the meat of that speech, with the unimportant thing about the two sentences?
What does this mean, "the greatest voter turnouts were nonprofits"? How big do you think nonprofits are?
The Serve America Act - thanks for the tip re Google - is good. Not sure what you mean by "mandatory", unless you mean Rahm Emanuel's suggestion of mandatory service in one of the programs. I think that would have been great, myself. Do you think aimless sex and video games are what the next generations of Americans need? Okay, then....
Do you understand that the RW media did not side track me? I heard the speech as Obama gave it. Not only did I hear the words straight from the horse's mouth, but saw the seriousness in which he spoke and I saw he was not speaking from the prompter, but from his heart. He was indeed sincere. Do you understand even though they took his words out (edited the scripts) he said those words, just the same?
My VISTA experience was not a positive experience. (that is all that I can say about that) So, to just come from that experience and to be recuperating in my sister's home, to the hearing of the next President of the U.S words, RW media has nothing to do with my knowledge of the words in which he spoke. If any thing the RW media has helped in causing a confusion so as to keep people guessing. It is the RW media that has grayed the lines into a conspiracy that isn't.
And it has grown from there. Like you I do not think that this is a bad thing. Obama tried to keep the words, 'mandatory service' in the H.R. bill, but they were subsequently removed before passage. We haven't had mandatory service since the army draft. (just knowing he wanted to keep mandatory service in the bill makes me aware of his mind set. The seat was going to his head.)
In the area of Service Learning, taught in grades K-college, I think that since parents won't step up, some one needs to and what better place than in a classroom. I have viewed several articles that have had positive results given in that the kids were excited to get out into the communities and help.
I will leave you to research the size and the capacity of our non-profits and their power in the U.S. The questions you have posed to me would be better answered on your own, if you are curious enough to do so.
Remember though the SB 277 was Obama's sub-platform to "Hope and Change".
PS: It isn't guilt that gets a president elected, but planned strategy and I have seen how those plans get implemented into the government.
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 10-27-2010 at 01:51 PM..
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Is "white guilt" why Obama was elected. Probably not.
But did Obama get the freedom to impose on Americans whatever radical left ideas he could imagine because nobody can say anything critical of someone of his race?
I can't...SMH...yeah, the only a black man could get elected is because of White guilt. I am so tired of racists who call everyone else racist. He was not the first non-white man to run for office. Just because you don't understand or agree with something doesn't give you the right to accuse others of being ignorant or voting on "white guilt." What an embarrassment to this country you are.
Do you understand that the RW media did not side track me? I heard the speech as Obama gave it. Not only did I hear the words straight from the horse's mouth, but saw the seriousness in which he spoke and I saw he was not speaking from the prompter, but from his heart. He was indeed sincere. Do you understand even though they took his words out (edited the scripts) he said those words, just the same?
What you heard was,
We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
What is it that's so threatening about those words?! From your post it doesn't appear you were fooled as so many others were into believing that he meant he was plotting to organize a civilian army. (Still waiting for signs of this IRL by the way. You'd think his own personal army would have been on top of his priority list, for just such occasions as midterm elections.)
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Originally Posted by actonbell
My VISTA experience was not a positive experience. (that is all that I can say about that) So, to just come from that experience and to be recuperating in my sister's home, to the hearing of the next President of the U.S words, RW media has nothing to do with my knowledge of the words in which he spoke. If any thing the RW media has helped in causing a confusion so as to keep people guessing. It is the RW media that has grayed the lines into a conspiracy that isn't.
And it has grown from there. Like you I do not think that this is a bad thing. Obama tried to keep the words, 'mandatory service' in the H.R. bill, but they were subsequently removed before passage. We haven't had mandatory service since the army draft. (just knowing he wanted to keep mandatory service in the bill makes me aware of his mind set. The seat was going to his head.)
In the area of Service Learning, taught in grades K-college, I think that since parents won't step up, some one needs to and what better place than in a classroom. I have viewed several articles that have had positive results given in that the kids were excited to get out into the communities and help.
I will leave you to research the size and the capacity of our non-profits and their power in the U.S. The questions you have posed to me would be better answered on your own, if you are curious enough to do so.
Remember though the SB 277 was Obama's sub-platform to "Hope and Change".
PS: It isn't guilt that gets a president elected, but planned strategy and I have seen how those plans get implemented into the government.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your point of view. I think high-school mandatory service to the community would have been an extremely good thing for the present and especially the future of the country. Guess that's where we differ.
Right wingers dearly love the idea that Obama was elected because he was black. That's just a fact. Saying so isn't "race baiting," except maybe to people who see "race baiting" and "the race card" everywhere they turn
The President of the United States is black! He's black! He's BLA-A-A-A-ACK!
Just a fact.
Is that a fact? Excuse me if I'm wrong, but isn't Barack's mother white? Wouldn't that make him half white? If so, why do you call him black?
"... .. The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it..."
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Originally Posted by delusianne
What you heard was,
We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
What is it that's so threatening about those words?! From your post it doesn't appear you were fooled as so many others were into believing that he meant he was plotting to organize a civilian army. (Still waiting for signs of this IRL by the way. You'd think his own personal army would have been on top of his priority list, for just such occasions as midterm elections.)
True, it has.
Thank you for taking the time to explain your point of view. I think high-school mandatory service to the community would have been an extremely good thing for the present and especially the future of the country. Guess that's where we differ.
I couldn't find this in my bookmarks. American Thinker: Obama's Civilian National Security Force As I re-read the links I provided for you, I saw it at the bottom of a page. What the author has in quotes, is what I heard him say. Which is the same as you have in quotes. Yet I heard the whole speech on this and there was something he said and a way that he said it, that made me go...omg.
So I began to follow the development of these bills.
I agreed with you that a 'required' curriculum of Service Learning implemented into the public schools is a good idea. (I said that in an earlier post, about parents who don't teach, kids should learn) Service Learning is being implemented now K-college. So the would have been, you say, is not would have been, but it is an ongoing process, that is effective in the present.
The reason I linked you to the Republic was so as you would learn of the H.B that the S.B is attached to as you had said that you did not understand what was meant by 'mandatory'. (I know the comments that were said there, but I hoped you'd see past those of that forum, I know I did. )
If you google and look up Service Learning, you will find as I have the schools this program has been put into effect in and the review of its results. As I said, the kids are excited to learn.
It is because of my experience through the VISTA program that was not a positive one, there is more knowledge that I can not share publicly. However, because of the poverty threads on this forum and the posts that I have read, I advocate for, not against Service Learning, being brought to all of our schools, across this nation. (although not an army, a definite change in ideals)
As for as the topic of this thread...I do not trust the voting to be accurate. I do not trust it, because I see a plan for this nation and the way the powers of government would like this nation to go and the results of who takes the office and when, that dates back to JFK.
(JFK was a government disappointment)
I'm just hinky that way and it really doesn't matter what I think or what I believe to know.
PS: Obama was elected because he believed in the plan. So was Bush, before him...it's in their votes....follow up on National Community Service, go backwards with it..follow the money trail.
no, I think America is finally done with believing that; Wealthy ,Waspy, War Mongering types make better leaders. Some where out there is another black man even more qualified than Obama to be president, as is a Mexican a,Woman a Jew, a Native American, an Asian and on down the line.
It would do conservatives well to forget about Obama and worry about a Biden, Hillary ticket.
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