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Originally Posted by rogerbacon
Pit bulls are banned in Miami-Dade County. More counties need to enact similar bans.
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really? you sure about that?
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Originally Posted by henrjam
Most Europeans countries are banning PB. There might be some reasons.
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sure, there are reasons. it is called an emotional reaction.
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Originally Posted by Wicked Felina
Didn't the Netherlands discountinue a 25 year old ban on pit bulls because it proved ineffective on the number of dog bites and dog bite fatalities? In other words, the premise for the ban proved false. The ban made no difference whatsoever.
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there have been other governments axing their breed bans after finding the same thing: that it didn't affect dog bites or dog bite fatalities at all.
breed bans, 20 years in denver: no results
Denver: Selective Counting and the Cost to Dogs and People | Animal Law Coalition
breed bans, 20 years in miami: no results
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/br...ns/article/998
pretty much every city that has enacted a breed ban legislation has seen 0 effect from it. the bans cost millions of tax payer dollars and have 0 effect. in fact, in a number of cases, regions have counted a decrease in attacks and fatal attacks by pit bulls, but no effect on the numbers of attacks and fatal attacks as a whole.
what does that tell you? the bans don't do anything. if pit bull stats go down, but the yearly total numbers stay the same, then there is a problem somewhere.
if some area of the country was to claim that mexicans were responsible for 70% of the crime in metropolitan areas, and that the only way to protect everyone was to remove all mexicans from urban areas, and upon removing them from those areas we see no decrease in the total amount of crime, then obviously the mexicans were not 70% of the equation.
if you can't see my train of thought yet, heaven help us.
here is some more food for thought. be aware though that it might take some intellectual honesty in order to understand:
pit bulls are less human aggressive than other breeds
ABSTRACTS FOR IFAAB 2006
ATTS - American Temperament Test Society, Inc. - ATTS Breed Statistics - page 1 (http://www.atts.org/stats1.html - broken link)
other breeds seem to attack and attack fatally more often
Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in ... [J Am Vet Med Assoc. 2000] - PubMed result
if experts cannot id dogs, how can cities?
Johnson: If experts cannot ID dog breeds, how can cities? - The Denver Post
dog mentality
there are some of you claiming that "only pit bulls are dangerous," or that "no breed of dog is inherently dangerous."
you're both wrong.
pit bulls are dogs, which are actually a subspecies of the wolf. dogs were bred by mankind for specific reasons, including many of the reasons for which some people fear them today:
intelligence
territoriality
aggression
ability to hunt, track and kill prey
cooperative nature
pack social structure
and many others.
every dog breed has these abilities to some degree or another, and every dog breed is descended from an animal that was chosen by humans for its ability to be situationally violent.
the pack social structure part is important, because this is one of the primary reasons why dogs show loyalty to mankind (we are their adopted pack members), and this in turn creates the social rules by which a dog knows when to be calm, when to be violent, when to be playful, when to be submissive, etc. situational violence is controlled by the pack alpha in wild wolf and dog packs.
in domesticated dogs, it is no different, except that most domestic dog alphas (dog owners) have no clue what they are doing, and do not know how to create a social environment that has definitive rules for the dog. this means that the dog does not consistently know when to be calm, when to be violent, when to be playful, when to be submissive, etc. the dog has to make its own decisions in this case.
the problem with that is that the dog is not a human, and its decisions when not being properly guided by a responsible owner will not consistently coincide with the values and rules that we as humans have.
some of you are arguing, "no, i knew a dog once that acted just like a human." and this is where your understanding of dogs is fatally flawed. such a dog is not acting like a human; it is acting like a dog that has been raised around humans. but that dog cannot even begin to comprehend the nuances of human behavior (especially in relation to social contract and cultural values), much less conform to human behavior.
a dog can only understand canine social constructs, and canine behavior, and if it is not controlled by a responsible, aware dog owner, it will determine its own use of the traits that makes it what it is, again namely:
intelligence
territoriality
aggression
ability to hunt, track and kill prey
cooperative nature
pack social structure
and many others.
a dog is a dog (which is a wolf), not a human, and cannot be expected to live as a human. what it can do is act like a dog that is under the healthy, balanced control of a responsible owner. but it can only do that if it actually is under the healthy, balanced control of a responsible owner.
this affects every dog breed from the smallest chihuahua to the largest dane, from the laziest dachshund to the feistiest terrier, and has nothing to do with breed.
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