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Old 10-30-2010, 12:30 PM
 
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Unfortunately, in life we have the winners and losers some people will never be as business savvy as Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Ronald Perlman, Carl Ichan Mark Zuckerberg and the whole Walton family. 99.9999 percent of the whole population will never be that wealthy ever in a thousand lifetimes. I think rich people deserve their wealth but I do think they are very greedy when it comes to sharing business savviness and helping out society. I do think that majority rich people have to come from at least middle class upbringing because it shelters them from all the problems the poor families face who have children. I think more rich people should fund more startup business in the intercity through venture capital and low interest loan lower than the SBA with less rigorous underwriting standards. I think the business savviness millionaries and billionaries should be shared to the poor and middle class especially the poor since they need the most help. The problem is to many rich people give away money to charities but never teach people how to better enterpenuers but rather save the knowledge so they can built dynasties for their families example the Waltons aka Walmart. I know this against all the conservative and liberals ideologies. Please don't call me a socialist or left wing crap I'm against big government and taxes. I believe in the flat tax but the extra tax revenue should used for social programs to help the poor evolve and not be drug dealers and criminals but rather thought a way better then their recent ways.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:10 PM
 
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Unfortunately, in life we have the winners and losers some people will never be as business savvy as Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Ronald Perlman, Carl Ichan Mark Zuckerberg and the whole Walton family. 99.9999 percent of the whole population will never be that wealthy ever in a thousand lifetimes. I think rich people deserve their wealth but I do think they are very greedy when it comes to sharing business savviness and helping out society. I do think that majority rich people have to come from at least middle class upbringing because it shelters them from all the problems the poor families face who have children. I think more rich people should fund more startup business in the intercity through venture capital and low interest loan lower than the SBA with less rigorous underwriting standards. I think the business savviness millionaries and billionaries should be shared to the poor and middle class especially the poor since they need the most help. The problem is to many rich people give away money to charities but never teach people how to better enterpenuers but rather save the knowledge so they can built dynasties for their families example the Waltons aka Walmart. I know this against all the conservative and liberals ideologies. Please don't call me a socialist or left wing crap I'm against big government and taxes. I believe in the flat tax but the extra tax revenue should used for social programs to help the poor evolve and not be drug dealers and criminals but rather thought a way better then their recent ways.
you make some good points here, but i disagree that the rich dont teach people how to be business savvy. the problem is that they do teach people who are willing to learn, unfortunately most people are not willing to learn, usually because they are jealous of what the rich have earned.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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For a huge percentage, no they don't....

You really think this is meritocracy, and that all it takes hard work and education to get ahead ???

If you believe that, I got a nice little bridge to sell you LMAO...
Those are just two factors in who gets ahead. The reality is if you don't have the right social connections or if there is any bias against you for any reason you'd better be ready to work harder than other people who don't have biases against them to get ahead.

The deck is stack against some Americans more so than others. That doesn't mean they can't get ahead it means they have to often work harder and be better than others due to certain biases.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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True conservatism is the ideology for the privileged and conserving privilege whiles liberalism is the ideology of equity.

Without a doubt liberals are more willing to do things to address social and economic inequalites than Conservatives.

The Conservative attitude is "I got mines and if you can't get yours well then **** you".
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:27 PM
 
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With a taxable income of $475,000+ I think you can somehow afford that....
Way to avoid the economic lesson being taught...
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Again, how will you do that?? If you take away the deductions and credits that are the reasons why many don't pay federal incomes taxes, you will also increase the taxes of the working class and middle class that do pay federal income taxes, and drastically increases the taxes on those with families.
And?
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And wouldn't those same people balk at someone else saying that someone earning only $15,000 a year isn't working hard enough?
Ahh no.. there is a difference between someone EARNING $15,000 and someone receiving $15,000 by NOT earning it..
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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Those are just two factors in who gets ahead. The reality is if you don't have the right social connections or if there is any bias against you for any reason you'd better be ready to work harder than other people who don't have biases against them to get ahead.

The deck is stack against some Americans more so than others. That doesn't mean they can't get ahead it means they have to often work harder and be better than others due to certain biases.
this is true, some will have to work harder and smarter to get where they want to be in life. but then life is not fair, and there is no way to make life fair regardless of what you do.

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Without a doubt liberals are more willing to do things to address social and economic inequalites than Conservatives.

The Conservative attitude is "I got mines and if you can't get yours well then **** you".
i disagree. while liberals seem to be about addressing social and economic inequalities, the reality is that they dont want everyone equal. they want people who are dependent on them so as to maintain their power, or at least the illusion of power.

conservatives will help those who are willing to put forth the effort to better themselves, but you have to make the effort first, not just decide to sponge off others.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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Might be true but I have really haven't seen a venture capital fund geared to inner city poor entrepreneurs they have Accion but the loans are like a credit card for a start-ups I know the risk analysis associated with a start-ups but I think we need some these reputable venture capitalist close to wall street funding innovate ideas and mentoring start-ups in the inner city. Give them the business savviness of Harvard MBA without going there. We have the SBA loan but there only giving loans to highest credit scores with collateral. I think poor people need access to capital and mentorships that ivy league entrepreneur get aka google, microsoft, facebook, and amazon. The poor inner city youths need business road models who are legetimate business people not the local drug dealer or loan shark or liquor store owner posing the ghettos.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:31 PM
 
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Without a doubt liberals are more willing to do things to address social and economic inequalites than Conservatives.
Wrong.. without a doubt liberals are willing to address social and economic inequalities provided THEY ARENT PAYIN for it.. In addition, liberals without a doubt want to lower everyone to the same level instead of raising them..
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The Conservative attitude is "I got mines and if you can't get yours well then **** you".
So your claim is you cant get yours? I never thought I'd see the day people admit they can only fail...
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:48 PM
 
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this is true, some will have to work harder and smarter to get where they want to be in life. but then life is not fair, and there is no way to make life fair regardless of what you do.



i disagree. while liberals seem to be about addressing social and economic inequalities, the reality is that they dont want everyone equal. they want people who are dependent on them so as to maintain their power, or at least the illusion of power.

conservatives will help those who are willing to put forth the effort to better themselves, but you have to make the effort first, not just decide to sponge off others.
I think liberals and socialist have good attention but they get corrupt when they get into power look to at North Korea Kim Jong ill look at Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro they all fight for equality of the poor but they become like the capitalist corrupt and individualist. Absolute corrupts most people.
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:52 PM
 
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I think liberals and socialist have good attention but they get corrupt when they get into power look to at North Korea Kim Jong ill look at Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro they all fight for equality of the poor but they become like the capitalist corrupt and individualist. Absolute corrupts most people.
A new idelology must evolve for humanity too address the poor. Neither Liberals or conservative knows whats best for us. Left wing and right wing just want money and power thats what drive their idelogies when get to the core.
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