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Old 10-29-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Newsflash: all political partisans are into power and nothing else.

Want proof? When it comes to addressing what they profess to be their key philosophical goals, liberals have done about as well at ending poverty and war as conservatives have done at reducing the size of government.

Bush's expansion of federal spending, trillion-dollar deficit, and instituton of an unfunded medicare prescription drug plan comes to mind, as does Obama's insouciance in the face of historic unemployment levels and escalation of an unwinnable war in Afghanistan.

Politicians = self-serving rats and scum.

Want a reason to vote GOP in this election and Democrat in the next? Gridlock. Let them tie each other in knots and give the rest of the country a friggin break...
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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So, who was the "Republican establishment", precisely?
Reagan was pretty revolutionary for his time. To answer your question, probably people like Nixon. People like the ones who Reagan may have inspired in the 1980's, but who have become career politicians like so many others in Washington.
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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The reason I ask is because OP is coming across pretty juvenile with all their posts and threads. It's nothing but "the liberals this and that" over and over with no substance and nothing to respond when he's proven wrong again and again. It's coming across like a young man that has a sitting on the couch of the double wide, drinking a beer yelling at the TV "Those damn liberals rable rable rable!" father that has misguided him.
More insults. Just like I predicted. (I should be making money with this somehow.)
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Old 10-29-2010, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Reagan was pretty revolutionary for his time. To answer your question, probably people like Nixon. People like the ones who Reagan may have inspired in the 1980's, but who have become career politicians like so many others in Washington.
Well, I will concede you have a (small) point. People don't remember this now, but Reagan actually got more popular votes in the 1968 primaries than Nixon--but of course Nixon had the pull. But between '68 and '72 both parties rewrote their nominating rules so much that the days of the 'back room deal' with party bosses were pretty much a thing of history. Governor Reagan fit in entirely well with the establishment of the '70s and, of course, became the establishment in the '80s.
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Old 10-29-2010, 09:58 PM
 
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An apology to OzzyRules:

Sorry for being rude to you earlier.
Most of my Mother's family went into the German gas chambers.
So I'm REAL touchy about the subject.
Especially when ones opinion, doesn't jive with the actual historical events.

Steve
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:29 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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It's getting pretty clear that liberals are not about helping those in need. We are already doing that. We've even begun helping those who are not so needy.

Liberals today are driven by power. (They don't want to improve things, but to control things.)

Any thoughts?
I agree. Far too many Americans fail to realize that all these governmental social programs is all about power and not about helping the little guy. If it really were about helping the little guy, then civil service employees would not be earning as much money as they do nor having more health benefits/pensions than the average Joe who is struggling to earn a living while his paycheck is being eaten alive by taxes!
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Old 10-30-2010, 01:13 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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I have a news flash for you, Ozzy: power is the driving force behind all political movements and parties.
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Old 10-30-2010, 02:36 AM
 
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The Christians NEVER supported Hitler???
So who was guarding the concentration camps and running the "showers" and ovens......Muslims???
Awkward when you don't know jack sh_t, ain't it?

Steve
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But we know- and not just from Indiana Jones movies- that the Nazis were fascinated with finding lost mystical relics, particularly those associated with Christianity. That is unusual, considering the anti-Christian bias of the Nazis, who felt that everything wrong with the West (pacifism, belief in equality, etc.) had been rammed down its throat by Christianity, an 'alien' religion from the Orient.

It is not known whether the Nazis really ever searched for the Ark of the Covenant, though there are tantalizing hints that they may well have been laying out blueprints for a search of northern Africa and Egypt for that Jewish relic. Why they thought they might enlist the gods of their enemies in their destruction is not clear.
THE OCCULT AND THE THIRD REICH (http://www2.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/occult-reich.html - broken link)
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Old 10-30-2010, 02:44 AM
 
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The reason I ask is because OP is coming across pretty juvenile with all their posts and threads. It's nothing but "the liberals this and that" over and over with no substance and nothing to respond when he's proven wrong again and again. It's coming across like a young man that has a sitting on the couch of the double wide, drinking a beer yelling at the TV "Those damn liberals rable rable rable!" father that has misguided him.
I agree this is a typical right wing thread liberals this liberals that conservative right wingers like to blame their own shortcomings on liberals.
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Old 10-30-2010, 03:07 AM
 
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I agree this is a typical right wing thread liberals this liberals that conservative right wingers like to blame their own shortcomings on liberals.
This whole topic is just another rightwingers platform to bash/hate any fellow American that happens to think left of center.
Basically an American political view according to Ozzie whos opinion seems to cast all Liberals as bad and all Republicans as good.
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