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Old 11-01-2010, 10:30 AM
 
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And people wonder why America is in decline?
One could also surmise that the reason Canada and England are IN the toilet and the USA is on its way to join them is that there are so many folks turning away from God.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean that a "creator" did it.
This is true, and I don't look down on anyone who doesn't believe a creator did it.

But, do you look down on those who believe a creator did it? After all, until hard evidence is found either way, then all possibilities are equally plausible, correct?

I never said the creator had to be an all powerful God being, as is listed in religious texts around the world.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:32 AM
 
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There's a reason why we're sure about evolution.

It's as close to "proven" in science as it gets.

However, I don't have any problem with people who believe a "creator" sparked evolution.
Except the absolutely gaping holes in the fossil record, the idiocy of believing in abiogenesis, etc...

It's about as "proven" as the tooth fairy.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Why is it that atheists always harp about creationism vs evolution like they are constantly trying to convert people to their belief system? I've never known a Christian to care a whole lot about what happened thousands or Billions of years ago. It has ZERO impact on our lives today.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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We are a society free enough that individuals can believe anything they want. Even if it is complete nonsense like Creationism.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Why is it that atheists always harp about creationism vs evolution like they are constantly trying to convert people to their belief system? I've never known a Christian to care a whole lot about what happened thousands or Billions of years ago. It has ZERO impact on our lives today.
Now, I do have to disagree here.

I've known several Christians who will not tolerate anything other than a 6,000 year old view of the world.

And if its not important, then why do candidates talk about it, school boards wanting to teach creationism, etc.

The fact is, there is 0 evidence that there is a creator, none. Its a personal belief, one I hold, but that doesn't mean it should be taught in school.

To some people, the literal translation of the bible as being 100% Gods words is the most important thing in their lives. Their faith is so shaken by even saying that the bible is 99.9% correct, that they fight that chance whole heartedly.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Except the absolutely gaping holes in the fossil record, the idiocy of believing in abiogenesis, etc...

It's about as "proven" as the tooth fairy.
Please, point out said gaping holes.

And abiogenesis has no relevance on evolution, even if we've created life from non-life in a laboratory setting.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:38 AM
 
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The fact is, there is 0 evidence that there is a creator, none. Its a personal belief, one I hold, but that doesn't mean it should be taught in school.
Explain how the universe began, please. That's a huge bit of evidence for a creator.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Explain how the universe began, please. That's a huge bit of evidence for a creator.
Irrelevant to evolution.
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Explain how the universe began, please. That's a huge bit of evidence for a creator.
There is evidence that the Universe began in a large "bang" of some kind. The Universe is expanding from a central location, and it appears to still be accelerating.

This is how we know that the Universe began from a single spot.

But what caused that big bang, is anyones guess. It could be a creator, it could be a dimensional touch, it could be a singularity expanding, I don't know.

No one knows, thats the problem with Hawkings "Theory of everything".

And no, there isn't evidence of that, or a creator. As such, the theory of creation should not be taught in school.

Just like evolution, the big bang theory doesn't tell you how the universe began, but it explains everything after the point of expansion. Evolution doesn't explain the creation of life, but it does explain the diversity of life on the planet.

But teaching in schools that you know how the Universe began with no proof, is silly.
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