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Old 10-31-2010, 06:00 AM
 
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a facist ideology
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Old 10-31-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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a fascist ideology
Explain your definition of a social conservative ? First time I have ever heard the term. And what part of fascist ideology do you think these social conservatives are embracing ?
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Old 10-31-2010, 11:26 AM
 
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Old 10-31-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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I see social conservatism as an reactionary backwards ideology that is very hostile to individual liberty an ideology that tries to legislate morality or what it consider is morality on others even those that dont agree with it
as such social consevatism is inherently a facist and moralisticly authoritarian movement.
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Old 10-31-2010, 01:03 PM
 
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I see social conservatism as an reactionary backwards ideology that is very hostile to individual liberty an ideology that tries to legislate morality or what it consider is morality on others even those that dont agree with it
as such social consevatism is inherently a facist and moralisticly authoritarian movement.
It would have to be "new" to be reactionary. Social conservatism has been around historically much longer than liberalism. It is the social Progressives whom are the reactionaries to morals and ethics. Social Progressives and purveyors of the drug/sex counter-culture are like petulant children pitching hissy fits because their bad behavior is looked upon with disapproval by decent society.
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Old 10-31-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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Regulations against so-called "hate" speech is a form of fascism. Hate speech in the USA is getting more and more legislated.

Unless the speech is anti-Christian in nature, in which case it's considered okay.
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Old 10-31-2010, 10:04 PM
 
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I don't know if all social conservatism is fascist, but it is based on punishing people for deviating from the social norms of the majority..

I just think fascism is more specific than that. Maybe it's better to say fascism is a socially conservative ideology.
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Old 10-31-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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a facist ideology
Fascism checklist
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy

6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses

8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored
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Old 10-31-2010, 11:02 PM
 
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Fascists tend to be socially conservative in most respects, but on the other hand most American social conservatives at least pay lip service to small government and less centralized government, which is not consistent with fascism as historically understood. Then again, social conservatives are never too consistent on this point, so it's tough to say for sure.
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Old 10-31-2010, 11:08 PM
 
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It would have to be "new" to be reactionary. Social conservatism has been around historically much longer than liberalism. It is the social Progressives whom are the reactionaries to morals and ethics. Social Progressives and purveyors of the drug/sex counter-culture are like petulant children pitching hissy fits because their bad behavior is looked upon with disapproval by decent society.
Conservatives in the old-fashioned sense of the word believe in incremental change, do not want to disrupt the social fabric and distrust radical solutions to social problems (defined thus, as against the utopian liberals and socialists of the era).

Reactionaries are radical people who demand to return to a previous stage of social or political development, regardless of what or who it disrupts.

I believe the term "reactionary" applies, unfortunately, to most people who style themselves conservatives in America at this time. It does not apply to conservatives in, say, the U.K. or France or almost any other civilized place.
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