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That's easy. If the natural sexual relationship between a male and a female is redefined as having equal standing with the unnatural sexual union of a male and a male or a female and a female, the institution of marriage that enshrines natural heterosexual relationships is altered and diminished by it's association with unnatural homosexual unions.
Apparently, it isn't easy. Your post offers nothing but a restatement of an illogical argument: it's wrong because it's wrong.
HOW is heterosexual marriage diminished by gay marriage? Is it because both forms of marriage will be equal? Is the love between a man and a woman somehow BETTER or GREATER than the love between members of the same sex? If so, HOW and WHY?
I am going to say something, and I really do not care who doesn't like it.
Many Americans cannot seem to grasp the concept of separating their political beliefs from their religious beliefs. On the other hand, my brain is quite intelligent and I decided that I am not going to live like most Americans. I am a Lutheran (LCMS), and my church is very conservative. Yet, I separate my religious beliefs from my liberal political beliefs. I am originally from Canada, so this is where I became a true liberal. The Democratic Partyâ„¢ here is anything BUT liberal. I decided to join a real liberal political party - the Green Party of the United States.
I find this interesting. What is the point in having religious beliefs (in your case allegedly Christian) and then turning around and separating those beliefs from the political arena?
I could see if you suffered multiple personality disorder how this may be possible. I'm not trying to be facetious here either. How can one otherwise compartmentalize his convictions in such a fashion?
You mistakenly transposed some words. Try "Is it because religious people are affraid of homosexuals because deep down inside they know religion is a disorder? Just saying." That makes more sense.
Actually, it doesn't make more sense. And religious people are not "affraid" (afraid) of homosexuals.
Your post directly supports SLCPUNK's assessment! If you don't agree with it, then it ain't democracy.
The judges saw that disallowing gay marriage went against the state's constitution as written. That is their job, to make such designations. They didn't legislate from the bench. No one gets a say in the rights of others, that's why they are rights, guaranteed by a Constitution.
Not sure to which nation and Constitution you are referring. In the United States, our rights are granted by God and affirmed by the Constitution.
I'll wait patiently while you cite the specific provision of the Iowa Constitution that guarantees the right to same sex marriage. Please feel free to DM me when you find it...I sure wouldn't want to miss this.
Plastic is unnatural but I don't hear anyone complaining about it.
Mills Darden weighed over 1200 lbs. His wife weighed less than 100. That ain't natural!
Why is gay the only group that it's socially acceptable to hate, demean, distort, lie about, accuse, demonize, reject?
As a gay man, all I want is my lover and I to get all the legal things that a straight couple gets in terms of powers and protections. If you consider that 'force' then you must have a hard time on a sunny day since we all know the sun 'forces' you to squint. That unnatural sun (fists in air)!
I don't care if people sell plastic shoes, just don't call them genuine leather.
Gays currently have exactly the same rights to marry someone of the opposite sex as does anyone. Those are EQUAL rights. What gays want are special rights, not equal.
Looks like the people of Iowa have spoken. Don't like it, don't live in Iowa.
In Iowa before 2009 you yourself did not have equal rights because you were unable to marry someone of the same sex if you chose to.
Now you can. How is that "special" rights for gay people if that right applies to you too?
You're not attracted to someone of the same sex? Don't marry them. You have that choice now.
A gay person is not attracted to someone of the opposite sex? Don't marry them. Gay people now have that choice too. THAT's equal.
The judges did not create a law. They determined that the gays were having their constitutional rights violated. Therefore, they stopped the enforcement of the law. It is called judicial review. Checks and balances. That is based on a constitutional republic system. Do you understand that?
That was THIER interpretation of the law. MANY other judges reviewing the case DISAGREED.
It was clearly a case of judicial activism by left wing judges. Iowa is not a left wing state and the citizens do not care to be ruled from California or Massachusetts via judicial fiat.
Suppose the state supreme court in your state interpreted the state constitution to MANDATE that you purchase an assault rifle. How would you feel? Suppose that they further, in the spirit of free speech, authorized daily KKK rallies through your town and mandatory Nazi indoctrination programs in the elementary schools, given the rights of free assembly.
Judicial activism is a VERY slippery slope. Perhaps the will of the people is more important than the dictatorial views of a couple of judges ruling over millions.
I find this interesting. What is the point in having religious beliefs (in your case allegedly Christian) and then turning around and separating those beliefs from the political arena?
I could see if you suffered multiple personality disorder how this may be possible. I'm not trying to be facetious here either. How can one otherwise compartmentalize his convictions in such a fashion?
Because not everyone is YOUR faith or believe in YOUR religion. You have to separate that and understand that there are other people out there. Some Jewish people keep kosher but I don't think they fault other people for not doing it nor do they call for laws mandating that only kosher food is available even for non kosher people. Why can't that same feeling transfer into this debate?
Supporting gay marriage also does not mean that the church has to perform the ceremony or even recognize it. I'm sure gay people will stay as far away from the church as you'd like. That is why I say religion should be separated. What happens within the confines of the church should not be the basis of legislating to everyone outside the churuch.
Judicial activism is a VERY slippery slope. Perhaps the will of the people is more important than the dictatorial views of a couple of judges ruling over millions.
No. People injecting their personal religious beliefs into law is a slippery slope towards having a country that resembles Saudi Arabia with a different figurehead.
I wish Christians would lead by example, instead of forcing their lifestyle choice on everyone else. That's why most of the country not in the Jesus bubble laughs when Christians talk out one side of their mouths about their "love for freedom," when really, they are worse than socialists because they try to bend everyone into one particular type of behavior and lifestyle.
I'd rather be taxed at 75% than have some idiot democratic electorate tell me the "right" way to live, and THAT is why the people of Europe have more PERSONAL freedoms than America.
Yeah, HOLY. As far as I can still see, being gay is an abomination in the eyes of God.
As far as I can see, the Bible states that idolatrous temple prostitution, like that used by the Cannanites who worshiped fertility gods, was ritually improper for a particular group of Hebrew people several thousand years ago.
Then there were the ritual sex orgies involving both opposite and same gender sex practices in temples dedicated to worshipping fertility gods that the gentiles in first century Corinth and Rome got involved in. Paul didn't like those. Rival religions and all that.
Then there was that bunch of straight guys who didn't follow the Abrahamic laws of hospitality and wanted to gang rape two strangers (angels) who visited a town called Sodom. (That was something some straight men used to do to strangers to humilate them - by treating them like they would a woman.) But Lot offered up his 2 young virgin daughters to be gang raped instead - because he was a "pious" man who followed the laws of hospitality which required him to protect strangers under his roof. Nice dad eh?
And speaking of family values...don't you just love those stories in the OT where Yahweh commands his people to go massacre a neighbouring tribe but kidnap and keep all the young virgin girls to keep for themselves? Of course I'm sure all those young virgins were very happy to be kidnapped and raped by God's chosen people - who had just slaughtered their mothers, fathers and brothers.
Then there's God's command that a virgin girl who is raped has to marry her rapist - after the rapist pays her dad 50 shekels of silver of course.
Those were the days....when women were chattel and men could have sex with concubines and slave girls as well as their wives (plural). As long as they didn't have sex with some OTHER man's "property"...I mean wife...or concubine or slave girl. Cause that would be adultery.
And how about Jesus telling men to leave their wives and children to follow him? Family values eh wot?
Can't see anywhere in the Bible that says anything about "being gay is an abomination in gods eyes" though.
Which translation do you have?
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