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Old 11-03-2010, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Repeal health care! Keep our infant mortality rate higher than the netherlands!
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:05 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Countries with lower infant mortality rates than the united states:

Iceland
Singapore
Japan
Sweden
Norway
Hong Kong
Finland
Czech Republic
Switzerland
South Korea
Belgium
France
Spain
Germany
Denmark
Austria
Australia
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Israel
Slovenia
United Kingdom
Canada
Ireland
Italy
Portugal
New Zealand
Cuba
Channel Islands ( Jersey and Guernsey)
Brunei
Cyprus
New Caledonia
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:09 AM
 
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Countries with lower infant mortality rates than the united states:

Iceland
Singapore
Japan
Sweden
Norway
Hong Kong
Finland
Czech Republic
Switzerland
South Korea
Belgium
France
Spain
Germany
Denmark
Austria
Australia
Luxembourg
Netherlands
Israel
Slovenia
United Kingdom
Canada
Ireland
Italy
Portugal
New Zealand
Cuba
Channel Islands ( Jersey and Guernsey)
Brunei
Cyprus
New Caledonia
United States
Prime example of "garbage in, garbage out".
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Old 11-03-2010, 06:12 AM
 
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Health Care Spin — Again | FactCheck.org
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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Poor African Americans have n abnormally high death rate among infants which is double the national average. When you remove them from the equation the death rate in the US falls in line with the top countries in the world even with the odd reporting guidelines.
This is the stupidest thing I have ever read. Why on earth would you remove poor people from our infant mortality rate? Just because you ignore them doesn't mean they don't exist. Fortunately the vast majority of my generation (people under 35) actually believe in providing decent health care to all americans and not creating mythical statistics that ignore demographic groups other than one's own.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:26 AM
 
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This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.
Since we're talking statistics which can easily be skewed by different factors it's important to understand the reasons for it. You can dispute the stupidity with the CDC who compiled the statistic.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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Poor African Americans have n abnormally high death rate among infants which is double the national average. When you remove them from the equation the death rate in the US falls in line with the top countries in the world even with the odd reporting guidelines.
Why would we remove them from the equation? They are Americans as well! And if poor people are having worse statistics here, I wonder if it could be lack of medical insurance or money to pay for proper care during/after giving birth?? That is an issue people don't have in these European nations.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, IN
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Since we're talking statistics which can easily be skewed by different factors it's important to understand the reasons for it. You can dispute the stupidity with the CDC who compiled the statistic.
Actually, the point of the statistic is to point out that our system has major issues with health access. To use it as an excuse to say our system is fine if we don't factor in certain people is totally missing the point.
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Old 11-03-2010, 08:58 AM
 
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Same post, different thread?

What's the matter Greg, feeling ill this morning?
No, maybe a little seasick.


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Old 11-03-2010, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Quite often I look at a patient of mine and think, "You would have been dead in x other country."

Not because they don't care...but because they don't have the resources I have at my fingertips. They have to practice way more based on statistics...if you practice just based on evidence-based statistics (which in most cases is fine, but be aware that they are about cost-control and resource allocation), I know many patients we have had that would be dead today...

Gut intuition and a higher standard saves lives, too. But if you can't get the test or procedure because you simply don't have access to it, you're f'd.
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