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Your numbers are clearly wrong. The IT people you are talking about are beginners. Experienced IT people make upwards of 100k/yr. That's double what you say they make.
Thanks for pointing that out, that makes it even worse sending over jobs from highly trained US workers because they "want too much" What's next on the right wing agenda, start blaming college grads because they busted their rears for years to get a degree only to have the rug pulled out from under them?
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The costs of labor were way too high for them to remain profitable. They went overseas. The name of the game is to make money, unions screwed that up and continue to do so.
You nailed it, though the cost of labor isn't too high, it's that the greedy fat cats can make more money shipping jobs over seas than keeping them here. Again they are shipping manufacturing and IT jobs which are OVERWHELMINGLY NON UNION
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So most factory workers only make 8-12/hr? Yeah ok, what about the UAW? Forget about them? Paying someone 100K/yr with lavish benefits and vacation/sick time to put lug nuts on a wheel with a machine that does all of them at once? That much money for an unskilled labor job?
Disgusting. Have you ever looked under the hood of a car lately? It takes a highly trained individual with years, if not decades of experience to work on these cars with the advanced controls and computer systems.
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Ever wonder why GM cars and many other union shops cost so damn much for the POS that you get? Well now you know why that is.
Learn how to fix it yourself and stop complaining! (damn, i was sounding like a republican there)
NY, NY (Nov 28) – As reported on the New York State’s Unemployment Insurance Benefits online page, today November 28, 2010 signals the last day the unemployed can move either into their first Tier or advanced to another qualifying tier regardingunemployment extensions.
Unemployed that have exhausted all their Tiers that is, Tier III that have moved into Emergency Benefits will receive their last check for the week ending December 5, 2010.
States across the nation have begun the final phase for providing emergency unemployment compensation also known as, unemployment extension.
I searched through the article and did not find a direct quote from a republican calling anyone lazy. Could you please point out the quote?
Having said that...you do realize that at some point we need to stop spending money we don't have, right? Has that EVER occurred to you?
And who is going to pay for that 'relocation' for a convenience store or fast food worker?
1. why limit him to a fast food worker
2. I said MAYBE it would be an IDEA
3. many, many people "go to where the jobs are"...no matter what the field
4. what is/are his field(s)??? does it have to be in Vegas proper, or would nevada surfice???..can he be bonded??? was he ever in the military, if so was he Honorably discharged???
I hope the Republicans force the elimination of unemployment as soon as they take over the House. It will allow more people to lose their houses creating lower house prices due to more forclosures. Without insurance lorts of people will have to take poorly paid jobs.
This should be interesting. What will be more important; ideology or self interest?
First of all, you guys are over reacting just a bit. People's unemployment does NOT stop tomorrow. Tomorrow is simply the day that they can no longer advance onto the next tier they are in line for. Whatever tier they are currently on, they get to finish up. They just cant advance further. For example, if you are week 2 of your tier 1 today..you still get to finish the entire tier 1, you just cant move on to tier 2, etc.
The real people who are in trouble are the ones towards or at the end of their current tier or the 99'ers who have already run out completely.
Agreed. We won't feel the full impact untill Feb 2011. With that said, nearly 200,000 people will be denied benefits almost immediately. 2 million more in January and an astonishing 4 million in Feb.
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I hope the Republicans force the elimination of unemployment as soon as they take over the House. It will allow more people to lose their houses creating lower house prices due to more forclosures. Without insurance lorts of people will have to take poorly paid jobs.
This should be interesting. What will be more important; ideology or self interest?
Indeed , the "house" has the power to eliminate all unemployment .
Where in the world did you get THAT idea? Where did I ever say the government should pay for ANYTHING? Now, if convenience store or fast food workers were in short supply, an employer might pay for someone to relocate. But, especially in this economy, I don't think that's the case, is it?
If the highlighted is anywhere near true, I'd have to say WOW, the UAW pay rate has certainly risen since my late husband's days! His highest annual income (after nearly a year of overtime, btw) was $55,000. And it's only been 12 years since he died. Over the thirty years he worked at Ford, his average annual income was about $40,000.
Actually it looks more like $65/hr if you add in all the bennies.
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Massive job cuts at General Motors, America's largest carmaker — coupled with the bankruptcy of Delphi, America's biggest autoparts maker — have provoked predictable handwringing from liberal pundits who worry that America is "losing its manufacturing base." But the wrenching change now buffeting the auto industry defies the usual press formulas. Just listen to Steve Miller a turnaround specialist who is steering Delphi's restructuring process. He exploded the myth of America's "endangered" union manufacturing jobs at his October press conference announcing Delphi's move into Chapter 11: "We cannot continue to pay $65 an hour for someone to cut the grass and remain competitive."
Take grass cutting. As defined by the current United Auto Worker contract negotiated with the "Big Five" (GM, Ford, Chrysler, and top parts makers Delphi and Visteon), an auto "production worker" is a job description that covers anything from mowing grass to cleaning the toilets. In the real world, these jobs would be outsourced to $8 an hour, no-benefit wage earners, but on Planet Big Five, these jobs get the same wages as any auto line-worker: an average $26 an hour ($60,000 a year) plus benefits that bring the company's total cost per worker to a staggering $65 an hour.
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