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Old 11-04-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Originally Posted by njguy View Post
Why should the Repubs go AGAINST what most Americans voted them the majority in the house for?

Why shouldn't they go against what they've promised? They did in
1994, 2000 and 2004.

The question isn't whether or not they'll say one thing to get elected, then do another once in office. The question is just how many times will the voters allow themselves to be suckered?

 
Old 11-04-2010, 01:31 PM
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How many people believe since "The people have spoken," in less than 20 months from now the economy will be robust , unemployment will at 4%, and every one will be right side up in a house,? not me
 
Old 11-04-2010, 01:42 PM
 
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Why shouldn't they go against what they've promised? They did in
1994, 2000 and 2004.

The question isn't whether or not they'll say one thing to get elected, then do another once in office. The question is just how many times will the voters allow themselves to be suckered?
Well lets see what they do this time while seeing what happened to the Dems.

If they fail the American people on the whole (by vote count) will fire them too.

That's the current reality, but the reality tomorrow, next week, next month, months ahead or 2 years from now could be a different reality good or bad.

We all just have to wait and see.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt till they give me reason(s) not to.
 
Old 11-04-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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All of you on this thread arguing about whether or not he "gets it" are the ones who DO NOT GET IT!

Obama is in on this whole thing! He's part of it! There's no such thing as Republicans and Democrats! Your all being taken for a ride! This is about distribution of power and playing with your emotions to guide you along like sheep!

Your oblivious state is helping these wicked people gain more and more power.

They know that they don't have to worry about controlling white people because they are easy! They only follow their own kind. So they strengthen their positions of power by placing a black man in the office.

So you should love obama. He's helping you bond with your kind. He doesn't care that you hate him. He only plays his role in the whole performance! And he deserves an Academy Award!

You are all fools believing a lie.

HAHAHAHA!!!
 
Old 11-04-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Everyone seems to be repeating the talking points of the last couple of years, but I find it intersting that nobody has yet answered those 4 simple questions.

The election is over. Y'all won. What now?

Simply addressing the questions would go much farther in determining what happens next than just regurgitating the outrage.

Do we need health care reform?

Or, just not THIS health care reform?

Do we need new banking regulations?
Or, just not THESE new banking regulations?

Do we need new enviornmental regulations?
Or, just not cap and trade?

Do we need a jobs creation program?
Or, just not his stimulus plan.

Let me take a try at your 4 questions.

We need health care reform but that bill was nothing more than health insurance reform with some things thrown in that would eventually put the government in control of health care reform and health care. How much debate was done on the floor of either house before that bill that was prepared behind locked doors by Dirty Harry and a few union bosses? I didn't see any debate and no Republicans were allowed in the offices while that thing was being written. I wonder how many of the 2500, or so, pages were even written in the Capitol building as all bills are supposed to have done.

We need banking regulations but not just what will put the big banks in government control. There are ways to do that without putting them in control of the banks like they took over the auto manufacturers.

Maybe we need environmental regulation but to do it through the EPA the way it was attempted is not the proper way to do it. Cap and Tax was never the proper direction but it would make sure that the people got to pay much higher prices for things like electricity produced with coal or gas. Obama said while campaigning that the coal companies would be broken with that crap. How much debate was done on the Cap and Tax bill that the House passed? So very little that all of it was done in committee only.

We need a jobs creation program but government doesn't create jobs other than government jobs and they only grow government when they try. It is private business that creates the kind of jobs we need and government can't tell them how to do that.

I think that there will be some real debate on the floors of both houses in the next 2 years unless the Dems are only trying to be the new party of NO. I guess you think they just have to get even. I hope the Republicans don't attempt to hold anyone out of debate on the floor but if that get even crap is all we can have they will certainly try to get even for the last 4 years. I would think that you don't know just how much debate Nasty Nancy allowed in the House by anybody.
 
Old 11-04-2010, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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How many people believe since "The people have spoken," in less than 20 months from now the economy will be robust , unemployment will at 4%, and every one will be right side up in a house,? not me
I agree with you but not for the reasons you want to believe. I believe that the Democrat Senate and the President will keep those things from happening. I believe that they really don't understand that government does not create jobs unless you have a socialist state where they run everything. As long as we have anything like capitalism the jobs will be created by business and not by government.
 
Old 11-04-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by roysoldboy View Post

Do we need health care reform?

Or, just not THIS health care reform?

Do we need new banking regulations?
Or, just not THESE new banking regulations?

Do we need new enviornmental regulations?
Or, just not cap and trade?

Do we need a jobs creation program?
Or, just not his stimulus plan.

Let me take a try at your 4 questions.

We need health care reform but that bill was nothing more than health insurance reform with some things thrown in that would eventually put the government in control of health care reform and health care. How much debate was done on the floor of either house before that bill that was prepared behind locked doors by Dirty Harry and a few union bosses? I didn't see any debate and no Republicans were allowed in the offices while that thing was being written. I wonder how many of the 2500, or so, pages were even written in the Capitol building as all bills are supposed to have done.

We need banking regulations but not just what will put the big banks in government control. There are ways to do that without putting them in control of the banks like they took over the auto manufacturers.

Maybe we need environmental regulation but to do it through the EPA the way it was attempted is not the proper way to do it. Cap and Tax was never the proper direction but it would make sure that the people got to pay much higher prices for things like electricity produced with coal or gas. Obama said while campaigning that the coal companies would be broken with that crap. How much debate was done on the Cap and Tax bill that the House passed? So very little that all of it was done in committee only.

We need a jobs creation program but government doesn't create jobs other than government jobs and they only grow government when they try. It is private business that creates the kind of jobs we need and government can't tell them how to do that.

I think that there will be some real debate on the floors of both houses in the next 2 years unless the Dems are only trying to be the new party of NO. I guess you think they just have to get even. I hope the Republicans don't attempt to hold anyone out of debate on the floor but if that get even crap is all we can have they will certainly try to get even for the last 4 years. I would think that you don't know just how much debate Nasty Nancy allowed in the House by anybody.

"Dirty Harry"..."Nasty Nancy"......I guess that you won't be making any contributions to any reconciliation..

I guess you completely forgot about the Dems not even being allowed in the room during Congressional discussions throughout much of the Bush reign, or the numerous votes decided in favor of the GOP because of the tie-breaking vote in the hands of VP Cheney..

Selective memory is wonderful....
 
Old 11-04-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: #
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Right now, RCP has Obama at 45 approval, 50 disapprove. Republicans, why don't you get that nearly half the country approves of the job Obama is doing?

His policies are unpopular to some, but not all. And all this talk about Republicans not having to compromise, well, what else is new?
 
Old 11-04-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by MassVt View Post
"Dirty Harry"..."Nasty Nancy"......I guess that you won't be making any contributions to any reconciliation..

I guess you completely forgot about the Dems not even being allowed in the room during Congressional discussions throughout much of the Bush reign, or the numerous votes decided in favor of the GOP because of the tie-breaking vote in the hands of VP Cheney..

Selective memory is wonderful....
I would have to guess from what you say here that you think that get even politics is the only way to do things. That is what Dirty and Nasty were shooting at. Well now maybe it is time for some more of that kind of politics and you won't like it. Not one Republican was involved in writing that Health Insurance program. They wouldn't have stood still for all the good deals the unions came out of that one with.

The Stimulus abortion was written largely in the offices of the Apollo Alliance and shipped down to the Congress where so few Republicans were willing to vote for it since they weren't given any time to read the thing. The leadership of the Dem Party along with TheWon managed to convince their people that it must be passed. What have we got from that thing unless you were one of the earmark recipients?

I guess people like you are about to convince me that "get even" politics is where it is at and it is time to see which House is making all the money bills. Did you know that they have to originate in the House?
 
Old 11-04-2010, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by crbcrbrgv View Post
Right now, RCP has Obama at 45 approval, 50 disapprove. Republicans, why don't you get that nearly half the country approves of the job Obama is doing?

His policies are unpopular to some, but not all. And all this talk about Republicans not having to compromise, well, what else is new?
You don't seem to see that compromise the past two years amounted to surrender and letting THEM do whatever THEY thought should be done. Compromise involves trading not just My way or the highway.
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