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Old 11-07-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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As Americans get fatter and unhealthier by the day, it baffles me that the Right would spend so much energy on battling solutions to help make Americans a healthier, stronger nation.

Is it just me or does "The Right" always seem to back the villain (tobacco industry, food safety regulations, environmental pollution regulations, safety regulations etc, etc) Makes one really wonder what America would suffer under complete Republican domination.
That bill just subsidized insurance. There was no reform in that bill..it was all about money.
You read that 80% of Americans have insurance..so does that mean 80% of Americans are healthy and strong ?
This bill will mandate insurance on everyone and will make the insurance and drug industry stronger and healthier financially, not Americans.
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:25 PM
 
Location: La lune et les Ă©toiles
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The health care reform isn't the same thing as health reform.

When it comes to the subject of government compelling certain behaviors which are deemed more "healthy," I'm with the conservatives on that. That's the Nanny state on steroids and I would fight it to the bitter end.

Sadly, far too many of the so-called "conservative" Republican's are all for it. As an example, take a look at what Mike Huckabee did as Governor of Arkansas and take note of what he says he'd support as President.
The mere suggestion that Americans need to eat better and exercise sends far too many into a "hissy fit" with exclamations and rantings on government over-reach. Healthcare reform will need to walk hand-in-hand with a "health" overhaul in this nation.

Why is it acceptable that so many Americans have shortened life expectancies (complete with suffering from diabetes and heart disease) because they think that Twinkies and chicken-fried steak are "real" food?
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:29 PM
 
Location: La lune et les Ă©toiles
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That bill just subsidized insurance. There was no reform in that bill..it was all about money.
So where was the Republican solution to this issue?

Why were the Republicans willing to let the healthcare system stay broken versus helping to write legislation that would benefit the nation?

Why was it more important to cling to the status quo and malign any attempts at moving America forward?
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:29 PM
 
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You are making up facts to suit your purpose. It is hardly the majority that supports Obama's HC policy. If it was the majority, the Democrats wouldn't have had their a$$'s handed to them on election day.
Stick around and watch the good guys dump that horrible plan, and do it the right way.. You will soon be a converted, loving Republican...
We're the good guys, you'll be glad you changed to our side...!
At the outset of the health care debate a Wall Street Journal / NBC poll showed that 76% of Americans were in favor of the public option (the single-payer government option Obama and Pelosi initially passed in the house, but that the senate butchered). Poll after poll after poll shows the same thing (whether asked if people favor an expanded Medicare system for all, a robust public option, a universal single-payer system).

Yes, people are upset about the health care reform bill. They're mostly upset Obama and the Dems compromised and we got the Republican's individual mandate idea.

The Dems weren't slaughtered in the house because of health care. They were slaughtered because they happened to be the party in power during a horrible economy (the worst in 80 or so years) coupled with a fantastic smear and demonizing campaign conducted by the right. The party in power in a bad economy get's voted out - that's politics 101.


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se..._poll_Full.pdf
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Old 11-07-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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The Dems lost a lot of seats because the economy sucks and the Dem candidates ran very weak campaigns. The only group in Congress that has a lower favorability rating than the Democrats, are the Republicans.
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Gone
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The Repubs cannot overturn healthcare reform, they do not have the votes, forget the wishful thinking that Demos will assist. What the Repubs can do is make it so underfunded that it will limit how much any reforms can actually do. Meaning Gridlocked government, and if anyone thinks he voters will blame only Demos for the gridlock in 2012 they are fooling themsleves.
Casper
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Old 11-07-2010, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So where was the Republican solution to this issue?

Why were the Republicans willing to let the healthcare system stay broken versus helping to write legislation that would benefit the nation?

Why was it more important to cling to the status quo and malign any attempts at moving America forward?

How broke is it when only 20% are uninsured ?
Why not JUST expand medicaid to take those folks in ?
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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How broke is it when only 20% are uninsured ?
Why not JUST expand medicaid to take those folks in ?
"Only" 20%? That is 1 in every 5 people, more than on food stamps!

Medicaid is a tax supported program. I think it's far better to push employers to offer insurance, and employees to accept insurance.

About 47% of the uninsured are "voluntarily uninsured", according to this study:

http://epionline.org/studies/oneill_06-2009.pdf

This is based on an income cutoff for voluntary and involuntary, and does not ask if the employer offers ins. Most VUs are young, unmarried, childless males. As I said, the number of VUs might be lower if the family income cutoff were higher than $20,000 in 2007 dollars.
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The mere suggestion that Americans need to eat better and exercise sends far too many into a "hissy fit" with exclamations and rantings on government over-reach. Healthcare reform will need to walk hand-in-hand with a "health" overhaul in this nation.

Why is it acceptable that so many Americans have shortened life expectancies (complete with suffering from diabetes and heart disease) because they think that Twinkies and chicken-fried steak are "real" food?

Why is it NOT acceptable? It's still a free country, isn't it? You may not have thought about this way, but freedom means the right to make bad decisions too.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The Dems lost a lot of seats because the economy sucks and the Dem candidates ran very weak campaigns. The only group in Congress that has a lower favorably rating than the Democrats, are the Republicans.

Yep, that low favorably rating could really hurt them in the midterms.

Do they have seasons in your world?
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