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Old 11-08-2010, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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OK. My head is spinning. But, I'll bite. Why would Beck be on "Their Team?" And just who is the "team?"
Read 1984, by George Orwell, and note the parallels to today.

Beck is a lure, and a distraction, leading away those who suspect "the system", and further misleading them in the wrong direction.

The "Team" is the aggregate members of the world's greatest propaganda ministry that have hidden from the public any awareness that they have lived for over 70 years under socialism.

A few facts that are not widely known:
[] Dollar bills are not dollars
[] The public debt is impossible to be repaid
[] The validity of the public debt cannot be questioned by law
[] Usury is mathematically impossible to pay in a finite money token system (like America's)
[] Private property and estate are mutually exclusive
[] Participation in Social Security is 100% voluntary
[] Since 1933, a continuous state of emergency has been in force and effect
[] American people are sovereigns, but citizens are subjects (which begs the question - how could "all Americans" born in the USA be "subject citizens" at birth?)
[] The republican form of government has been superseded by a democracy based on fraud, misrepresentation and withholding of material facts

Millions of Americans believe that there is a law that compels them to enroll and participate in SocSec, despite facts to the contrary.

Do not believe me - write a polite letter to the SocSec Administrator in Baltimore, MD, and ask for a copy of the law that compels all Americans to enroll before they can work in their own country. Ask for a copy of the law that punishes any American for not participating.

Can you imagine the size, scope and power of such a propaganda machine?

Until I read the law myself, I wouldn't have believe it.

Until you read the law, yourself, you won't believe me.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:17 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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One thing that I noted, Glenn Beck never tells you EXACTLY why Communism is incompatible with America.

He reminds us that violence is their hallmark, and they rely upon terror and revolution to impose their "benevolent" rule, but he dances far away from ever mentioning the ONE indisputable fact about communism.

From the Communist manifesto:
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
But American law protects private property
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Communism, Socialism, and Marxism abolish private property ownership and replaces it with collective ownership, with the superior rights in the State.

Why would BECK never, ever mention that Communism abolishes private property ?

Perhaps, the reason is that since 1935, there has been no private property in the USA.

Proof:
U.S. Treasury - FAQs: Legal Tender Status of currency
"Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
"All the goods and services" YOU thought was yours - was stolen by Congress and pledged to the Federal Reserve Corporation.
Correction - surrendered by you - by your consent.

Your right to absolutely own private property (protected by the 5th amendment) was abolished when you signed up with Socialist InSecurity. Because the CONGRESS can tax away EVERYTHING from you to "back" their wastepaper notes.

So you no longer enjoy the blessings of your birthright to absolutely own private property, that if the government had to take, was still obligated to pay JUST COMPENSATION (in lawful gold or silver money).
COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.

SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary
Socialism and communism = COLLECTIVE ownership.

From this perspective, it's pretty clear that the U.S. Congress is acting like the no.1 advocate of collective ownership.

Because they're cranking out IOUs (dollar bills) that YOUR PROPERTY is backing.

Now, if I issued an IOU that was redeemable with my neighbor's property, without his consent, I think that's called theft, fraud, and a crime.

But when SOCIALIST GOVERNMENT does it, it's called "sharing the wealth".

Go READ the law - do not believe me.

The USA died in 1935, and was replaced with the United Socialist States of America, ruled under a perpetual "State of Emergency". And now, as it slides into collapse, we shall see the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America rise from the ashes.

Makes one wonder why Beck wants you to pay attention to "Spooky dude" Soros, and not pay attention to the Collectivist Congress (partisanship notwithstanding).

Capitalist Principles
CAPITALISM - An economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are privately owned and operated for private profit.
- - - WEBSTER'S DICTIONARY

PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
If you concatenate capitalism with private property, you can see the "inconvenient truth".
Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production, distribution and exchange are absolutely owned by individuals and operated for their individual profit.
A farmer who absolutely owns his farm is a true capitalist.
A farmer who does not, is a tenant.
A worker who absolutely owns the fruits of his labor is a true capitalist.
A worker who does not, is a serf.

By these definitions, one can clearly see that capitalism has been dead in the USA for over 70 years. NO ONE ABSOLUTELY OWNS ANYTHING IF THE CONGRESS CAN TAKE IT ALL TO "BACK" THEIR NOTES.

You've been conned by the world's greatest propaganda ministry.
jesus... straw man much? No one is implementing communism here.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:17 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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One thing that I noted, Glenn Beck never tells you EXACTLY why Communism is incompatible with America.......


One, the government rules the people.
The other the people rule the government.


If you cannot see the conflict, you have no common sense what so ever.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:20 PM
 
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jesus... straw man much? No one is implementing communism here.
Really? If the government has the power over your business and property anytime it sees fit, what rights do you have over it?
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:22 PM
 
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One, the government rules the people.
The other the people rule the government.


If you cannot see the conflict, you have no common sense what so ever.
With all due respect, where has the government shown that it is ruled by the people? Eminent domain? Control of your income through progressive taxation? The requirement for you to "beg" for the right to run a business? The fact that you have to pay taxes on "your" property to the government?

Have you ever looked at the dollar bill where it says something like "this note is legal tender for all debts public and private"? Do you see that note as something positive or negative?

When they breakdown the national debt is it strange to you that it's broke down as public and private? Have you looked at interest rates that are setup to where you can never pay them off? If you could you could borrow $xxxxx.xx from the bank and just sit on it while it gains interst and you'd be better off in the end. That's obviously not the case because the interest that you owe will always be higher than you'll gain.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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With all due respect, where has the government shown that it is ruled by the people? Eminent domain? Control of your income through progressive taxation? The requirement for you to "beg" for the right to run a business? The fact that you have to pay taxes on "your" property to the government?

Exactly! The machine is built and running.

Time to destroy the machine!
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:29 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Really? If the government has the power over your business and property anytime it sees fit, what rights do you have over it?
But it doesn't, so this whole debate is pointless.
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:30 PM
 
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Clever - keep mixing property with private property and the peons might miss the switcheroo.
The Communist Manifesto called for taking of ALL property, not just private property.. it calls for the government owning EVERYTHING..
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If you can show absolute ownership of land, houses, tools and chattels in a communist / socialist / collectivist country, I'd be glad to take note.

But the point is this: the USCON explicitly protects private property while the COMMUNISTS abolish private property.
Mutually exclusive.
Private property includes ALL property, real estate, cars, ownership of equipment, EVERYTHING.. Communist Manifesto believed no one should own ANYTHING but the Communist Manifesto was a BOOK.. which was the far left wing rationality of what Communism was.. NO ONE should own anything, but that doesnt mean that there isnt definitions of communism that falls to the right of people owning NOTHING.. Again, Hitler was a communist, people owned property, China you can own property, they are a communist country.. I believe you can buy property in Vietnam, another private country. Just because the Communist Manifesto says that you cant own anything, and countries allow people to own something, doesnt mean these countries are not communist.. In order for your argument to hold water, you would have to be arguing that China isnt a communist nation..
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The point is that Beck is avoiding any mention of the abolition of private property.
Thats because the abolition of private property is NOT the meaning of communism.. Its the abolition of the means of production.. NOT THE SAME..
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Do not believe me - go read the law.
Private property and estate (real and personal property) are mutually exclusive.
Since 1935, all that has remained is estate held with qualified ownership. Because the collective STATE can confiscate it without paying just compensation.
Thats a misinterpretation of the law.. The Constitution clearly says that people are entitled to compensation for the confiscation of ownership of property.. No law can overrule the Constitution.. Its the law of the land.. The law is so the government can BORROW against your production, that doesnt mean they own it.. it means they are allowed to borrow against the revenues they receive from your production, i.e. taxes...
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I guess you never heard of "Cottage industries" where people run businesses out of their homes.
I run my companies out of my home.. whats that have to do with anything?
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Communism means collective ownership of the tools of production, and the primary tool upon which all production rests is the land. And make no mistake - that's exactly what the communists want - your land.
BINGO.. Communism is the taking of means of production but that isnt what you are stating in your OP...

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

Abolition of private property is not the same as means of production. One can own property and not own means of productions. For example, you can own a cup.. a cup doesnt produce anything but according to the Communist Manifesto, one couldnt own a cup...
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The state cannot take private property... but they can take that which is held with QUALIFIED OWNERSHIP - like real estate.
Right, they cant take private property, Communist Manifesto claims they can.. NOT THE SAME..
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And if you fail to pay your ad valorem tax, the government takes your property without paying just compensation. Ergo, it is NOT private property.
Wrong again.. They cant take your property, they can sell your property.. and if the high bidder happens to be the state, then and only then will they claim your property.. Putting your property up for sale isnt taking of property..
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Please present one constitutional citation that shows taxes being authorized against private property.
Remember, estate (real and personal property) is NOT private property.
Please help educate us.
FIND THE LAW.
The federal government doesnt tax private property, they tax income.. States tax private property which is the right of the states.. The Constitution is not list of what can be taxed, its a limit on what CANT be done. The Constitution says they cant limit your free speech, they cant limit your right to own fire arms, asking where the authorization to tax against private property is simply the wrong question because it doesnt say that it CANT be done.. and thats what the Constitution is.. its a list of what CANT be limited..
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If the government can levy a tax on it, it's not private property.
If the government can take away property for non-payment of taxes, you do not absolutely own it.
Wrong, no where in the constitution is the right to tax limited, other than to say that it must be uniform across the country..Second of all, the federal government does NOT receive a dime from private property taxes.. Its a false argument.. States do, but there is nothing limiting the states from making such claim legally.. there exists no imaginary limitation on the states from taxation of assets.. I wish there was, but there isnt..
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If the government can take away property for non-payment of taxes, you do not absolutely own it.
Again, they dont take it away, they sell it, just like I would sell your property at a sheriff sale if you owed me cash, or landlords sell tenants assets to collect rent. Its to pay a judgment levied upon you..
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Private property is absolutely owned by an individual.
"Not" private property is held with qualified ownership.
That's when more than one person has a claim, or it is limited or restricted.
Estate (aka "real and personal property") is held with qualified ownership. It is not constitutionally protected, as is private property.
yes it is.. qualified ownership is a legal entity and regarded as an individual under the law.. As a trustee to numerous trusts holding private property, I assure you this is true. This has already been upheld by the Supreme Court. Group ownerships are deemed held by individual ownerships, who own a percentage of a property, individually.. Be it a percentage ownership of the property, or a percentage ownership of the ownership entity, either way, tis a real ownership claim regardless of the numbers of ownerships involved. I've been involved in deals with hundreds of owners, one in Florida which had thousands.. We each owned a percentage of the business that owned the project, and that business becomes a single entity under the law.
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Since 1935, and 'voluntary' socialism via FICA / Social Security Act, Americans have surrendered their birthright to absolutely own private property to the government.

This has created a de facto collectivist regime, that has ruled America since 1935. And to further side step the USCON, a continuous STATE OF EMERGENCY has been in force and effect.

Yet NO ONE in the mass media will whisper these facts.
Because its simply isnt true. The federal government has jurisdiction to tax, and as much as I cant stand the Social Security act, the Constitution clearly allows the federal government to tax..

It may be immoral, it may perpetuate poverty, it may demand that people be Dependant upon government, but its not illegal, nor does it engage the nation into a state of emergency..
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No partisan of the left nor right wing seems to be willing to divulge the plain facts, in the public record, available in any county courthouse law library
(which refutes the "secret conspiracy theory" rebuttal).
...
Yes, we are victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry. And I think Beck is on "Their Team".
You went off into conspiracy land here.. No clue what you are talking about..
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(Yes, I've sent many many emails to Beck, trying to correct his errors... so don't get huffy.)
I'm sure they are very thankful for your humor.

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Old 11-08-2010, 09:32 PM
 
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jesus... straw man much? No one is implementing communism here.
Agreed.. We might be implementing fascism, and pockets of socialism, but we are not even approaching communism..

(pockets of socialism because of GM, GS bailouts etc).. Fascism growth has been going on for quite some time now...
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Old 11-08-2010, 09:33 PM
 
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But it doesn't, so this whole debate is pointless.
Really? If you don't pay your "tithe" to it do you still have the right to run that business?
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