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Old 03-25-2011, 05:21 AM
 
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I was there. It happened.

Why would I make something like that up?

I have deep feelings on this subject because a very good friend of mine killed himself because his family disowned him because of his homosexuality.

Even within my own family, gay relatives have been disowned.

But once again, you probably don't believe me. I'm not here to prove anything to anybody.
I have 36 1st cousins on my mothers side.

Blue collar to the bone.

2 are gay and are as accepted as the rest.

3 have gay children, not one has been shunned by the family.

And there are some gay grandchildren in the mix.

My son had a VERY gay roommate (4 guys shared an apartment) for his 1st two years in college. They remain close friends, and he has spent time with us during breaks.

People who "disown" other people, especially family members because of their sexual orientation are just plain ignorant and, IMO, have no heart.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:43 AM
 
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Do homosexuals even know the difference between tolerance and acceptance? The two are not interchangeable yet the homosexual fallaciously clings to a belief that somehow they are. It is understandable for the homosexual to desire acceptance by society but should not be surprised, offended, or astonished that many actually put up with it rather than approve.
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Old 03-25-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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Do homosexuals even know the difference between tolerance and acceptance? The two are not interchangeable yet the homosexual fallaciously clings to a belief that somehow they are. It is understandable for the homosexual to desire acceptance by society but should not be surprised, offended, or astonished that many actually put up with it rather than approve.
Yeah, but your side very often isn't even willing to tolerate or "put up" with it. Passing discriminatory laws taking away the civil rights of homosexuals isn't tolerance - it's not "putting up" with it. It's irrational, bigoted, fearful suppression.
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Old 03-25-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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Do homosexuals even know the difference between tolerance and acceptance? The two are not interchangeable yet the homosexual fallaciously clings to a belief that somehow they are. It is understandable for the homosexual to desire acceptance by society but should not be surprised, offended, or astonished that many actually put up with it rather than approve.
Yeah, but your side very often isn't even willing to tolerate or "put up" with it. Passing discriminatory laws taking away the civil rights of homosexuals isn't tolerance - it's not "putting up" with it. It's irrational, bigoted, fearful suppression.
Aaaaaaalso not so sure that referring to another human being as "the homosexual" is really advancing the cause of tolerance OR acceptance. Kinda sounds like you don't want to catch the gay.
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Old 03-25-2011, 10:27 AM
 
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I agree that lesbians are more accepted than gays. I guess it has to do with the sexual practices people - knowingly or not - associate with it. But also of course with the old notion that girls/women are more innocent and "clean at heart".
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Old 03-25-2011, 10:49 AM
 
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I agree that lesbians are more accepted than gays. I guess it has to do with the sexual practices people - knowingly or not - associate with it. But also of course with the old notion that girls/women are more innocent and "clean at heart".
I think it has more to do with our societal views of gender and masculinity/femininity.

In general, our society does not tolerate feminine men, yet we do tolerate masculine women. Nobody cares too much if their little girl prefers shorts to dresses, would rather play with hot wheels than barbies, enjoys sports more than tea parties, etc. However, if your little boy likes putting on his mom's dress and makeup and playing with dolls, the parents usually force him into sports, throw away the dolls and replace them with toy guns, and rush him to a doctor to see what's wrong.

We tolerate somewhat masculine girls and women; we vilify somewhat feminine boys and men.

Couple that with the fact that many people who don't interact with gay people believe the stereotype that gay men are all swooshing, prancing, girly-men who despise "manly things," dress up in women's clothing, sip wine, and have season tickets to the ballet.

To them that's a gay man, and a man like that is simply wrong and unacceptable.
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Old 03-25-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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I agree that lesbians are more accepted than gays. I guess it has to do with the sexual practices people - knowingly or not - associate with it. But also of course with the old notion that girls/women are more innocent and "clean at heart".
I don't see that lesbians are more accepted than gays. How so? Do you have examples? I think that the acceptance level is pretty equal for both.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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I think it has more to do with our societal views of gender and masculinity/femininity.

In general, our society does not tolerate feminine men, yet we do tolerate masculine women. Nobody cares too much if their little girl prefers shorts to dresses, would rather play with hot wheels than barbies, enjoys sports more than tea parties, etc. However, if your little boy likes putting on his mom's dress and makeup and playing with dolls, the parents usually force him into sports, throw away the dolls and replace them with toy guns, and rush him to a doctor to see what's wrong.

We tolerate somewhat masculine girls and women; we vilify somewhat feminine boys and men.

Couple that with the fact that many people who don't interact with gay people believe the stereotype that gay men are all swooshing, prancing, girly-men who despise "manly things," dress up in women's clothing, sip wine, and have season tickets to the ballet.

To them that's a gay man, and a man like that is simply wrong and unacceptable.
Could be. Makes me wonder, how are emos treated in the US?
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:02 AM
 
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I don't see that lesbians are more accepted than gays. How so? Do you have examples? I think that the acceptance level is pretty equal for both.
For instance I know more swearwords for gays than for lesbians, actually I don't know any for lesbians.
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Old 03-25-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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For instance I know more swearwords for gays than for lesbians, actually I don't know any for lesbians.
You rarely hear of a lesbian getting gay-bashed, but if you were to scour local news around the US you can find examples of it happening to gay men every day.
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