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Government jobs have increased because it is more economical to hire full time employees than private sector contractors. The Republicans were using the contracting to pay back their political contributors. Why in Hell do you think the defunct Blackwater Mercenary Company was created? It was designed to privatize the Army. Blackwater charged the government three to four times as much as it cost to support an American soldier.
Blackwater is not defunct. It just changed its name to Xe because of the bad publicity.
This country isn't going to go broke because of federal compensation. Again, if you're angry because someone is getting a better deal than you, then just say so. Nothing wrong with a little envy every now and then.
Class warfare....SMH.
From Wiki:
On October 29, in the second week of the revolution, the Dudás militia attacked the headquarters of the secret police in Budapest, massacring the ÁVH inside. This event was well documented by both western and eastern journalists and photographers, and constituted the primary evidence against Imre Nagy and other members of his cabinet in the White Books (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=White_Books&action=edit&redlink=1 - broken link).
A Western eyewitness said:
"The secret police lie twisted in the gutter [...] the Hungarians will not touch the corpse of an ÁVH man, not even to close the eyes or straighten the neck." After Dudás' militia assaulted the building, the surrounding crowd lynched a number of ÁVH officers. Highly visible in photographs of this attack are the party's paybooks displayed on to the corpses, demonstrating that ÁVH soldiers received at least 10 times the wages of a manual worker.
This is the ultimate result of overcompensated government employees. Be careful what you wish for...
I think you do not understand what class envy really means.
Personally, I'd like to see how they arrived at those figures. What's included? What's excluded? Do both figures include all levels of reponsibility, or is one all-inclusive and the other not?
I'm pretty sure it's the pension and sick pay that spikes the federal numbers. But so what? As far as i'm concerned, that just means that the private sector has fallen pitifully behind in pay and benefits.
A quick search found this: Federal pay ahead of private industry - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm - broken link)
Pay particular attention to this paragraph:
These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
Comparing apples and oranges.
You need to see a comparison of similar jobs; for example, engineers or attorneys both in and outside of government; you need to see clerical positions in and outside of government; MBAs in and out of government; etc.
You're lumping sales clerks, part time people etc in with professional people who work for the government.
It makes no sense.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
I'm pretty sure it's the pension and sick pay that spikes the federal numbers. But so what? As far as i'm concerned, that just means that the private sector has fallen pitifully behind in pay and benefits.
It wasn't too long ago that people thought that the only ones who worked for the feds were fools because you could make a lot more in private industry.
Now, they're attacking the feds because they've been told that these are the new scapegoats; they're the ones who are causing your problems.
Private industry erodes benefits and that's not even addressed, it's easier to attack the feds.
Let's see, the feds have transparent packages, you can see wha the benefits are.
Can you do that with private industry? I don't think so. So how do you know what you're being told is true?
Are you complaining about salaries and packages for them? Hardly.
If you're so interested in government benefit packages, why not join the federal work force?
Most of the feds I know have at least one degree and work in the professional fields.
Are the whiners even qualified?
Don't you have the same opportunities to enhance your lives with education to become what you want to be in life?
Bootstraps and all, you know.
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On October 29, in the second week of the revolution, the Dudás militia attacked the headquarters of the secret police in Budapest, massacring the ÁVH inside. This event was well documented by both western and eastern journalists and photographers, and constituted the primary evidence against Imre Nagy and other members of his cabinet in the White Books (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=White_Books&action=edit&redlink=1 - broken link).
A Western eyewitness said:
"The secret police lie twisted in the gutter [...] the Hungarians will not touch the corpse of an ÁVH man, not even to close the eyes or straighten the neck." After Dudás' militia assaulted the building, the surrounding crowd lynched a number of ÁVH officers. Highly visible in photographs of this attack are the party's paybooks displayed on to the corpses, demonstrating that ÁVH soldiers received at least 10 times the wages of a manual worker.
This is the ultimate result of overcompensated government employees. Be careful what you wish for...
Is this ^^ a serious post? C'mon...the Hungarians? LOL...Gawd.
Government jobs have increased because it is more economical to hire full time employees than private sector contractors. The Republicans were using the contracting to pay back their political contributors. Why in Hell do you think the defunct Blackwater Mercenary Company was created? It was designed to privatize the Army. Blackwater charged the government three to four times as much as it cost to support an American soldier.
Comparing apples and oranges.
You need to see a comparison of similar jobs; for example, engineers or attorneys both in and outside of government; you need to see clerical positions in and outside of government; MBAs in and out of government; etc.
You're lumping sales clerks, part time people etc in with professional people who work for the government.
It makes no sense.
exactly
how many government workers are flipping hamburgers it mcgovey's
comparie government workers to private sector as a whole is like comparing a college student to a 5th grade student
Is this ^^ a serious post? C'mon...the Hungarians? LOL...Gawd.
It's a historical account of overpaid federal employees getting their just dessert. The federal employees are revered in the history books as cowardly scum. No one weeps for those bureaucrats. Granted, it's an extreme example, but that's what I mean by a "terminal" result. Pray this doesn't happen here.
Comparing apples and oranges.
You need to see a comparison of similar jobs; for example, engineers or attorneys both in and outside of government; you need to see clerical positions in and outside of government; MBAs in and out of government; etc.
You're lumping sales clerks, part time people etc in with professional people who work for the government.
It makes no sense.
Actually, your response makes no sense. Did you even bother to read the article?
It compares similar jobs...apples to apples.
Federal janitor vs. private janitor
Federal accountant vs. private accountant
etc, etc.
Federal pay + benefits comes out ahead in many, no, most of the occupations.
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This country isn't going to go broke because of federal compensation. Again, if you're angry because someone is getting a better deal than you, then just say so. Nothing wrong with a little envy every now and then.
