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Old 11-14-2010, 07:50 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The GOP knows they've been put on notice. They know they'd better do their job. The voters are serious, and they are active participants in government affairs. Too long the citizens drifted along, letting politicians on both sides do as they please.

The one thing Obama did was wake us up, and I do thank him for that!
Ok, but suppose they don't do what you elected them to do? (They won't. They've already said their primary agenda is make Obama a 1 term President). What will you do then? Vote for Obama and the Democrats in 2012?

If you're not willing to do that, as it's likely to be your other choice, then saying you'll hold the GOP's feet to the fire is a hollow threat.
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Old 11-14-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The ship of state was nearly sunk when he first walked into the Oval Office. He's been bailing ever since, with some moderate success
Again, still, as always, you continue to ignore the FACTS.

Dems took over congress in 2007 - debt of $8.5 T, now it's $14 T. Deficit of $161 B, now it's $1.5 T. UE of 4.4%, now it's 9.6%.

These are the FACTS you can't escape, deny or ignore. You can't absolve the dems from their culpability in the mess.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Again, still, as always, you continue to ignore the FACTS.

Dems took over congress in 2007 - debt of $8.5 T, now it's $14 T. Deficit of $161 B, now it's $1.5 T. UE of 4.4%, now it's 9.6%.

These are the FACTS you can't escape, deny or ignore. You can't absolve the dems from their culpability in the mess.
Nor can you escape, deny or ignore George Bushs' responsibility, nor the responsibility of the Republican Congress in years between 2000-2006.

Financial and economic crises don't just happen overnight. They are a result of a long series of bad decisions and I can't think of a single crisis which was solely the fault of one party. This one is no different.

Also, you can't escape the fact that the original bail out of the banks, $700 billion worth, was an idea which came out of the Bush White House and approved by the Democratic Congress, who really had little choice in the matter at that time. Nor can you escape the fact that when Congress asked Hank Paulson, Bushs' SecTreas, where that money went and what it was used for, Paulson had the audicity to claim they don't know where it went or what was done with it. Furthermore, he even blandly asserted that it was none Congress' business anyhow.

There's plenty of blame to go around, so insisting that it's all Obama's fault is as deceptive and dishonest as claiming it's all Bushs' fault.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:59 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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We can then stipulate the Rs were bad and the Ds even WORSE.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:28 AM
 
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We can then stipulate the Rs were bad and the Ds even WORSE.
Here's a radical idea: How about we quit trying to divide the blame and work together to find a solution? How we got here isn't nearly so important as figuring out where we go now.

When you're up to your neck in flood waters, figuring out why the dam broke should be less important than getting out before you drown.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:33 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Ok, but suppose they don't do what you elected them to do? (They won't. They've already said their primary agenda is make Obama a 1 term President). What will you do then?
If they do sufficiently well to to succeed in ensuring that Obama is a one term President, they have my support!

Because that means the majority of the voters will be behind them, not Obama.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Here's a radical idea: How about we quit trying to divide the blame and work together to find a solution? How we got here isn't nearly so important as figuring out where we go now.

When you're up to your neck in flood waters, figuring out why the dam broke should be less important than getting out before you drown.
Well, that sounds good, but look what the dems and obama did for the last 2 years. They shut out the GOP completely. Did you know that Mitch McConnell, Minority Leader of the Senate, did NOT have a one-on-one with obama until 3 weeks ago?

Almost 2 years and obama in his petty partisan arrogance didn't think having the leader of the opposition party in the Senate was worth a one-on-one sit down. That is UNPRECEDENTED.

So now the dems want to pretend they will work together?

I don't think so. The voters gave a clear mandate to the GOP - STOP this radical leftist agenda.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:45 AM
 
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If they do sufficiently well to to succeed in ensuring that Obama is a one term President, they have my support!

Because that means the majority of the voters will be behind them, not Obama.

So, you're OK with the Party of No becoming the Do Nothing Party once in office, so long as it gets rid of Obama? You're fine with letting the problems this country faces simmer for two more years if it gains your party an advantage?

Thanks for being such a great patriot.

Oh....and thanks for proving my thesis that this election was ALL about Obama and nothing else.
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:56 AM
 
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So, you're OK with the Party of No becoming the Do Nothing Party once in office, so long as it gets rid of Obama? You're fine with letting the problems this country faces simmer for two more years if it gains your party an advantage?

Thanks for being such a great patriot.

Oh....and thanks for proving my thesis that this election was ALL about Obama and nothing else.
The "party of no" is what the liberals named it. It means nothing, just as Obama's terminology means nothing. It's always an effort to minimize, marginalize and divide. That's the liberal way, right out of the Alinsky handbook. What a party line you all have!

Yes, the election was indeed all about Obama and the Democrats, and their ongoing rushed -- almost frantic -- effort to dismantle and cripple the great United States of America (before the populace caught on).

Well guess what. We the People caught on and spoke up! Unfortunately, many are still duped but not as many as before since, as you well know, support for Obama is waning rapidly here at home and abroad. It must be because he's doing something right. NOT!

We finally see what others have been saying from day 1. The emperor has no clothes and even when he has an illusion of clothing, it is just an empty suit. He paraded it around the world just now, and met with rejection of all his proposals. They also have new insight into him, and said "no thanks".
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Old 11-15-2010, 07:02 AM
 
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When you're up to your neck in flood waters, figuring out why the dam broke should be less important than getting out before you drown.
Well said - isn't that the truth
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