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Old 11-14-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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While this has nothing to do with the new law it provides the exact same scenario as predicted by HHS calling cuts that are supposed to reduce the deficit in the health care law "unrealistic".

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Doctors brace for possible big Medicare pay cuts | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/13/2010 (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/20101113_Doctors_brace_for_possible_big_Medicare_p ay_cuts.html - broken link)


WASHINGTON - Breast-cancer surgeon Kathryn Wagner has posted a warning in her waiting room about a different sort of risk to patients' health: She will stop taking new Medicare cases if Congress allows looming cuts in doctors' compensation to go through...

...lawmakers in the 1990s devised a formula for payment cuts intended as an automatic braking system to keep Medicare humming along at a sustainable growth rate.

But every time health-care costs went up, the legislators hit the override button to block the payment cuts.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Just like unemployment...keep extending under "emergency spending".
How long can we keep it up ?
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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While this has nothing to do with the new law it provides the exact same scenario as predicted by HHS calling cuts that are supposed to reduce the deficit in the health care law "unrealistic".
At some point we have to say NO to the doctors and pharma outfits. NO we cannot keep raising the cost at 4 times the inflation rate. NO we cannot afford to pay for everything for everybody- such as these stupid "scooter" chairs that TV informercials hawk to seniors who don't even need them.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:37 AM
 
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At some point we have to say NO to the doctors
You can say NO all you want but that's a two way street and the Doctor can say NO I'm not going to treat Medicare patients.

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such as these stupid "scooter" chairs that TV informercials hawk to seniors who don't even need them.
That's a scam itself, they send the chair and then charge rent until the government pays for it. Because of an inefficient government bureaucracy that may take months to process the paperwork and approve it these rental fees may be as much as the cost of chair. That's why they will offer to pay for the chair if the application is not approved.

As far as people who don't need them taking advantage of them it's another example of wasteful spending when there is no consequences for those receiving the service.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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You can say NO all you want but that's a two way street and the Doctor can say NO I'm not going to treat Medicare patients.

That's a scam itself, they send the chair and then charge rent until the government pays for it. Because of an inefficient government bureaucracy that may take months to process the paperwork and approve it these rental fees may be as much as the cost of chair. That's why they will offer to pay for the chair if the application is not approved.

As far as people who don't need them taking advantage of them it's another example of wasteful spending when there is no consequences for those receiving the service.
The doctor can say no but we can- and should- open 100 new medical schools, "fast track" any immigration applications for docs that want to immigrate and take Medicare patients, allow more "less than docs" to do more medicine such as giving flu shots, doing basic exams and writing basic prescriptions. In addition to that we should do tort reform and offer a government "at cost" liability insurance program for doctors who agree to take at least 25% Medicare patient loads and also offer 1 year of complete college and medical school loan forgiveness for each 2 years a doc offers to take at least 25% Medicare patient load. This is what we should be doing.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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While this has nothing to do with the new law it provides the exact same scenario as predicted by HHS calling cuts that are supposed to reduce the deficit in the health care law "unrealistic".
So many cancers and birth defects would be eliminated if global warming and pollution in general were eliminated. The costs for environmentally caused diseases and conditions would then be 0.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:55 AM
 
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Apiesmom, I've been posting on forums since... well forever. You would be the first person to ever meet the ignore button. Bye.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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The doctor can say no but we can- and should- open 100 new medical schools, "fast track" any immigration applications for docs that want to immigrate and take Medicare patients, allow more "less than docs" to do more medicine such as giving flu shots, doing basic exams and writing basic prescriptions. In addition to that we should do tort reform and offer a government "at cost" liability insurance program for doctors who agree to take at least 25% Medicare patient loads and also offer 1 year of complete college and medical school loan forgiveness for each 2 years a doc offers to take at least 25% Medicare patient load. This is what we should be doing.
It would help enormously to have fewer prescriptions written, not by more unqualified people.

It's absurd the pill-popping that is done - someone might need a prescription or two but most of the elderly don't need anywhere close to what they're swallowing by the handfuls.

They don't feel like eating right, so the doc writes a prescription for a drug that will harm their liver but lower their cholesterol, they get stool hardeners, stool softeners - but again proper diet would take care of that. They take sleeping pills, wake up pills. Pain killers that don't help but make them foggy.

Maybe they don't need so many doctors and prescriptions but weight loss and exercise - things you can do on your own.
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So many cancers and birth defects would be eliminated if global warming and pollution in general were eliminated. The costs for environmentally caused diseases and conditions would then be 0.
OK..provide the links for your "facts".
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Old 11-14-2010, 12:35 PM
 
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OK..provide the links for your "facts".
She can go start her own thread, getting back to the topic I think it's clear that any of the deficit reductions touted in the new health care bill won't happen.
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