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Old 11-15-2010, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Do you mind citing a checkable source, mg? Or any source. for that matter?

Your figure on U.S. inmates is not even in the ballpark:

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Old 11-15-2010, 06:01 PM
 
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Do you mind citing a checkable source, mg? Or any source. for that matter?

Your figure on U.S. inmates is not even in the ballpark:
The United States has the highest documented incarceration rate in the world at 754 persons in prison or jail per 100,000 (as of 2008 A report released Feb. 28, 2008 indicates that more than 1 in 100 adults in the United States are in prison The United States has less than 5% of the world's population[ and 23.4% of the world's prison population.

Incarceration in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:18 PM
 
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Maybe I did some math wrong somewhere, IDK, but if you add up the population of prison populations of the European Countries plus Holland you get 779 which is more than 686.

I do see where I made a mistake though when calculating the number for Holland I only used the two provinces of Holland located in The Netherlands instead of the entire country which would add a extra population of 10,000,000 onto the European countries, sorry

But other than that I think my math is pretty good.

And actually I have a B.S. in Public Policy from GSU and I am working on my M.S. in Urban Geography and I am getting a A.A. in Paralegal Studies for the heck of it from my local community college. So I think I am a little passed my GED, oh and I am only 21 so please do not try to insult my intelligence.

Despite your impressive credentials, you have misunderstood the figures in the OP. They refer to the number of prisoners per 100,000 of population, not an absolute number.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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The US prison system is, in a sense, a social system as well...

Without it, our sky-high unemployment rate would be even worse than it is already...
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:32 PM
 
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The US prison system is, in a sense, a social system as well...

Without it, our sky-high unemployment rate would be even worse than it is already...
Not too sure how to calculate that. It would for sure be an interesting figure.
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Old 11-15-2010, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Pennsylvania / Dull Germany
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The US prison system is, in a sense, a social system as well...
Well, could be seen like this, but it is a quite expensive one.
Average cost per capita of imprisoned persons must be around $20,000 a year.
We can imagine what kind of real social systems could be paid by that. Lots of health care or food stamps.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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And they wonder why America has so many homosexuals. Blame the prison system. It is a gay making machine. j/k
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:12 PM
 
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Europe has no prisons...
What are you talking about "Europe has no prisons..."?

Of course they have prisons.

Is their justice system harsher, have less revolving door/recidivism rates, the same as the US, etc. when it comes to violent criminals?
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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mg seems to have gone away. I'll have to suppose he was using statistics from 1983 or so.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:50 AM
 
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I have heard interviews from prison guards who say correction basically always fails.
This whole 'you commit a crime, you go to jail for it as a punishment, then you get out and start anew as a law-abiding citizen' approach is flawed. Once someone is a criminal, too much has already gone wrong in that person's brains. Society should really proactively focus on the prevention of the existence of criminals, i.e. the conditions that lead people down that road.
That does remind me of this: Time Magazine on a Norwegian prison

In particular this section:
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Within two years of their release, 20% of Norway's prisoners end up back in jail. In the U.K. and the U.S., the figure hovers between 50% and 60%.
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Impressionable young men who commit small offences do not get thrown into supermax state prisons. They get thrown into county lockup or a house of corrections. More typically they are put on probation.
That is interesting. Where does the line run between offences that gets young men trown into prison, and those that do not?
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