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Old 11-16-2010, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Well we'll just have to disagree, because this for one thing wouldn't imo stop bullying but it could be very effective at imposing views, and another thing is it's to me just an excuse to impose views on kids.
Kids bully and harass those who are different for that very reason, because they are different, and this type of stuff needs to be combated. These videos are not the only way to do that or the only way for it to be done, but its a starting point. I simply don't see how anyone can be opposed to something like this unless they think its ok to bully or harass someone just for being different.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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The schools need to deal with the BEHAVIOR of bullying; not try to change the values of the students. The underlying motives don't matter.
I have to disagree. Without those underlying motives, there would be no bad or bullying behavior for the schools to try to correct.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:44 PM
 
Location: THE USA
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Why would anyone want to opt out is the real question.

How can tolerance be a bad thing?


Some people do not teach their children that picking on others for being different is a bad thing, and since these children come into contact with children who may be different, it is the schools obligation to teach it.


Whatever the intolerance is about, being gay, being black, being fat, being blind, being in a wheelchair, it really is all the same discrimination, INTOLERANCE for those who are different than you are.

I believe the schools should have this information be mandatory. You don't like it? Keep your kid at home and school them there.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:48 PM
 
Location: THE USA
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If parents could get vouchers that would certainly happen.
Why would they need vouchers to home school their own children? Oh because they want someone else to pay for their education?


Ha ha ha, if you don't like the public school, send them to private, ON YOUR OWN DIME. Cheapos
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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Why would they need vouchers to home school their own children? Oh because they want someone else to pay for their education?


Ha ha ha, if you don't like the public school, send them to private, ON YOUR OWN DIME. Cheapos
Actually, people who choose to home school or private school their children are far from cheap. These parents are actually paying double. They pay for private school tuition or with home schooling pay with the lack of income mandated by having to be at home to school their child and not being able to go to a paid job. But they also then pay for the public education they are not using with their taxes. The voucher system would help alleviate this by allowing all parents to choose how to educate their child. Parents, who are not pleased with their school district could opt to utilize their child's portion of tax payer funds to send them to a better school or home school or private school. This would really be a benefit to poorer families who are stuck sending their children to what is usually an inferior school due to the low income neighborhood. Just something to think about.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How much has bullying changed in the last 50 years or so that all of a sudden it's a "crisis" ?

The movies will do nothing to change the bully. They will still go on being a bully when that movie is over. But it sure makes lots of folks feel good..doesn't it. "Hey they watched a movie so no more bullying".
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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If parents could get vouchers that would certainly happen.
That already happens in California. Of course the vouchers are so small they'll only pay about 1/10th the price of a private school.
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Old 11-16-2010, 05:51 PM
 
Location: THE USA
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Actually, people who choose to home school or private school their children are far from cheap. These parents are actually paying double. They pay for private school tuition or with home schooling pay with the lack of income mandated by having to be at home to school their child and not being able to go to a paid job. But they also then pay for the public education they are not using with their taxes. The voucher system would help alleviate this by allowing all parents to choose how to educate their child. Parents, who are not pleased with their school district could opt to utilize their child's portion of tax payer funds to send them to a better school or home school or private school. This would really be a benefit to poorer families who are stuck sending their children to what is usually an inferior school due to the low income neighborhood. Just something to think about.

Umm, yeah, I went to Private school.

I believe there should be no vouchers because people will then try to use them for parochial schools. I would know. Schools with a high number of low income students get MORE money from the feds via Title 1 schools. This results much of the time with longer school hours for MORE teaching. Sadly this does not always reflect in results because the PARENTS don't do homework with their kids. Vouchers won't change that my friend.


You can also inter-district or intra-district transfer to another school of choice.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:04 PM
 
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Umm, yeah, I went to Private school.

I believe there should be no vouchers because people will then try to use them for parochial schools. I would know. Schools with a high number of low income students get MORE money from the feds via Title 1 schools. This results much of the time with longer school hours for MORE teaching. Sadly this does not always reflect in results because the PARENTS don't do homework with their kids. Vouchers won't change that my friend.


You can also inter-district or intra-district transfer to another school of choice.
But not all districts allow the transferring unless there is some type of problem. I have to agree with you on the more money/longer school day not necessarily equating to better results. Poor parenting definitely plays a part. But, at least with vouchers, the involved parents could opt to get their child out of a poorly performing school. It might just provide some motivation for the poorly performing school to shape up...Of course, you still have the uninvolved parent problem to deal with. But that's another thread.
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Old 11-16-2010, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Because this is not about bullying. This is just an excuse to shove views on kids. And they have no business doing that. Besides that there are a million reasons a kid can be bullied. Are they going to make videos about them all?
The state law in California requires that school districts have programs in place to deal with discrimination and or harassment based on actual or perceived disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion and sexual orientation; so yes it goes beyond a single issue. It is not good enough to just pick up the broken pieces after an event.
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