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Old 11-16-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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Every president for the past 50 years has been above the law.
I suppose when you don't read the law, much less understand it, you might feel this way.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:02 AM
 
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Oh yeah?

Who's gonna make him?

Where's that lout, Bush, hiding out anyway?

And, where is Big Dick's little douche coup?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2scNZ1NrZg
Everything that the Bush admin did was deemed legal at the time. The Obama admin changed that when he got in. You can't go after someone if it was legal at the time. NEXT!
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:03 AM
 
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Progressives love this! They drool over being able to execute people who don't carry their water.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Obama Administration Claims Unchecked Authority To Kill Americans Outside Combat Zones | American Civil Liberties Union

Another thread on this topic is here:

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Those who disagree and dare to speak out, beware, your life may be in danger.
Hard to n drum up sympathy for Al Quieda?
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Everything that the Bush admin did was deemed legal at the time. The Obama admin changed that when he got in. You can't go after someone if it was legal at the time. NEXT!
Well, everyone knows this is a Country that operates under deem of flaw.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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This gives the president authority to kill any US Citizen anywhere, including in the US for any reason or no reason at all.
What is this "This" to which you refer. And even if this "this" existed it would not.

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I don't think people realize how close to dictatorship the US really is,
Yes, I have always believed that when the opposition party takes control of one part of the government that it is a sure sign of impending dictatorship.

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Once the president was allowed to choose cabinet members, it was all over.
If that were the case, it was over before it started since the power of cabinet appointments has always been a presidential one.

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The cabinet is no longer a neutral body that provides guidance to the president in matters related to the respective cabinet positions. The cabinet is now an arm of the president that pursues the policies he initiates.
The level of ignorance of political and constitutional history of this country displayed on this site never ceases to astound me.

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Then why don't you explain to everyone who authorized Clinton to violate UN Security Council Resolutions and US Public Law to purchase weapons and munitions from Iran and ship them to Kosovo via Albania?
Boy did you get that one wrong!!!

CRISIS IN THE BALKANS - THE REBELS - CRISIS IN THE BALKANS - THE REBELS - NATO Is Wary of Proposals To Help Arm Kosovo Rebels - NYTimes.com

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Even a person with an IQ of -20 can readily see a difference between someone being tried in open court for a violent crime, and someone who merely criticizes the government and doesn't get a trial, or even a warning they are on a "hit-list."
But perhaps it would take a bit more of an IQ to discern the difference between criticizing and recruiting and fomenting. Maybe?


U.S. May File Charges Against Cleric in Yemen - CBS News
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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This is so ridiculous. Why not tell the whole story rather than posting a thread to make it appear as though the president wants to kill innocent Americans? This is all stemming from the CIA authorizing the killing of a terrorist, who just happens to a be a Muslim living in Yemen and also a US citizen. If he made a point not to kill the man, the people on the right would call him a terrorist sympathizer. You can't have it both ways and this has nothing to do with your concern for the country and everything to do with your hatred of the president. All of a sudden, the same people who participate in countless Muslim bashing threads are huminatrians. If this were a Republican president, you'd jush bash the ACLU. Just because this TERRORIST is a citizen on paper doesn't mean he considers himself one. The man is a threat to national security. It is truly pathetic that the right would use this as a tool to incite fear knowing that a Republican president would have their full support doing the same thing. How UNPATRIOTIC and UNAMERICAN that your hatred for the POTUS is more powerful than the safety of the American people. Shame on you!

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The remark by Michael E. Leiter, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, is the most specific assertion so far regarding Anwar al-Aulaqi's involvement in the failed plot, which allegedly employed a would-be suicide bomber who is accused of boarding the flight with explosives in his underwear.
Defending the Obama administration's decision to authorize the CIA and the military to kill Aulaqi, Leiter told the Aspen Institute's homeland security forum that the attack could have killed more than 300 people and that "it would be irresponsible not to think about directing all elements of national power to protect the American people."
U.S. officials had previously said that Aulaqi was linked to the attempt, but they had not specified his role.

A second U.S. official said that American intelligence services say Aulaqi provided the key link between the would-be bomber and those who trained him.
"We think Aulaqi helped put [Umar Farouk] Abdulmutallab in touch with the plotters and trainers of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula," the official said, referring to a regional affiliate of the main al-Qaeda organization. "He's more than a propagandist. He's an operational figure, a terrorist who lent his hands to attacks on the United States."
Abdulmutallab, the son of a Nigerian banker, was detained in Detroit after being subdued by other passengers as he allegedly tried to detonate the bomb. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that include attempting to kill the passengers on the plane.
Aulaqi has emerged as an eloquent and unapologetic advocate of violence against the West. His online sermons attract wide international audiences and are a source of particular concern to U.S. authorities because they are delivered in English.
Aulaqi also exchanged e-mails with the Army psychiatrist accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Tex., in November. Before leaving the United States, Aulaqi preached at mosques in California and Virginia, apparently coming into contact with at least two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers.
U.S. intelligence officials believe that Aulaqi is increasingly involved in the operations of al-Qaeda's offshoot in Yemen, acting as a recruiter and facilitator who has a deep familiarity with U.S. cities and society. He is not, however, thought to have the skills to lead operations or build a bomb.
The al-Qaeda affiliate in Yemen placed a banner on jihadist Web sites this week advertising what it called a new English-language magazine. The online publication is to be called "Inspire" and includes an interview with Aulaqi
Muslim cleric Anwar al-Aulaqi is linked to Christmas Day bomb attempt
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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This is so ridiculous. Why not tell the whole story rather than posting a thread to make it appear as though the president wants to kill innocent Americans? This is all stemming from the CIA authorizing the killing of a terrorist, who just happens to a be a Muslim living in Yemen and also a US citizen. If he made a point not to kill the man, the people on the right would call him a terrorist sympathizer. You can't have it both ways and this has nothing to do with your concern for the country and everything to do with your hatred of the president. All of a sudden, the same people who participate in countless Muslim bashing threads are huminatrians. If this were a Republican president, you'd jush bash the ACLU. Just because he is a citizen on paper doesn't mean he considers himself one. The man is a threat to national security. It is truly pathetic that the right would use this as a tool to incite fear knowing that a Republican president would have their full support doing the same thing. How UNPATRIOTIC and UNAMERICAN that your hatred for the POTUS is more powerful than the safety of the American people. Shame on you!



Muslim cleric Anwar al-Aulaqi is linked to Christmas Day bomb attempt
ok, but what about KSM? Why doesn't he get put on the list since we already know he is guilty. Why does the American citizen terrorist get the green light to be killed and a foreign terrorist who admitted guilt gets protection for our Constitution?
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:27 AM
 
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This is so ridiculous. Why not tell the whole story rather than posting a thread to make it appear as though the president wants to kill innocent Americans? This is all stemming from the CIA authorizing the killing of a terrorist, who just happens to a be a Muslim living in Yemen and also a US citizen. If he made a point not to kill the man, the people on the right would call him a terrorist sympathizer. You can't have it both ways and this has nothing to do with your concern for the country and everything to do with your hatred of the president. All of a sudden, the same people who participate in countless Muslim bashing threads are huminatrians. If this were a Republican president, you'd jush bash the ACLU. Just because this TERRORIST is a citizen on paper doesn't mean he considers himself one. The man is a threat to national security. It is truly pathetic that the right would use this as a tool to incite fear knowing that a Republican president would have their full support doing the same thing. How UNPATRIOTIC and UNAMERICAN that your hatred for the POTUS is more powerful than the safety of the American people. Shame on you!



Muslim cleric Anwar al-Aulaqi is linked to Christmas Day bomb attempt
That deserves to be reposted. How patriotic of these people that they choose a known terrorist over our own President.

Pathetic.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:39 AM
 
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ok, but what about KSM? Why doesn't he get put on the list since we already know he is guilty.
Perhaps BECAUSE HE IS ALREADY IN CUSTODY! And as such does not pose an imminent threat.



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Why does the American citizen terrorist get the green light to be killed and a foreign terrorist who admitted guilt gets protection for our Constitution?
See above.

Now if Anwar al-Awlaki would care to surrender to U.S. or Yemeni authorities even as a declared unlawful combatant he would be afforded some of the rights afforded by the Constitution.

Of course if you gave him his full rights as a citizen you would undoubtedly screaming up and down about protesting Awlaki being confirmed any rights under the constitution.
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