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Yes, that is exacly what I am saying. Those techniques WERE legal until Obama got into office. That was one of the first things he changed. He made those techniques illegal, but now he just ships the people to other countries where it is legal...RENDITION. So is Obama really any better?
Torture is not legal in the US. It wasn't under Bush and it isn't under Obama.
I think there is a huge difference between waterboarding someone with medical staff present and putting people in ovens and gas chambers. Even you know there is a difference.
No there isn't a legal difference. In fact ,the Japanese were tried and convicted for water boarding after WWII by the Americans.
You think water boading is legal because the Americans do it.
It's the standard justification for torture all over the World.
We're doing it, but just a little bit, and besides they deserve it, and we're the good guys.
I think there is a huge difference between waterboarding someone with medical staff present and putting people in ovens and gas chambers. Even you know there is a difference.
Please stop trying to act like you care. This would be a non-isssue for you if the president was a Republican. You wouldn't see anything atrocious about the government killing a known terrorist. No matter how many names you throw out or other situations, it does not justify the OP's lame attempt to make the president appear to be a cold blooded murder/dictator who plans to kill innocent citizens of the USA. You and the likes of you have been exposed and it is very clear that your hatred for the POTUS trumps all else, including morals, ethics, sanity and LOVE FOR YOUR COUNTRY. Are you for or against the death penalty? In case you aren't aware, those are mostly United States citizens on death row.
Who is authorized to just kill someone on sight? Come on, tell us? You know the answer is NOBODY! Police just can't shoot people for the hell of it, even if they are shot at and the assailant is running away.
Actually, you are pretty badly mistaken. In the first place, this is hardly an example of shooting somebody "for the hell of it." There are actually very good reasons we might want to shoot these people. And of course, the orders are kill or capture... not kill.
More to the point with the police example, enforcement authorities are authorized to shoot when they believe it necessary to shoot. It's always a judgment call. After the fact, we hold the person accountable for that judgment... but it remains exactly what it always has been. A judgment call.
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You purposely muddied this up to fit your snarky agenda.
To the contrary.
I add only clarity by clearing out all the smoke you guys are blowing.
Actually, you are pretty badly mistaken. In the first place, this is hardly an example of shooting somebody 'for the hell of it." There are actually very good reasons we might want to shoot these people. And of course, the orders are kill or capture... not kill.
More to the point with the police example, enforcement authorities are authorized to shoot when they believe it necessary to shoot. It's always a judgment call. After the fact, we hold the person accountable for that judgment... but it remains exactly what it always has been. A judgment call.
To the contrary.
I add only clarity by clearing out all the smoke you guys are blowing.
We understand the situation perfectly.
You think it's OK for the President to kill somebody if he has "good reasons"....without a Judge or the legislative branch being involved. No oversight whatsoever.
You're a typical authoritarian. The World is full of your type.
And BTW, how in the hell do you know what their orders are???? Have you seen the orders??? They said "capture" as well???? Share your knowledge with us!
You think it's OK for the President to kill somebody if he has "good reasons"....without a Judge or the Legislative Branch being involved. No oversight whatsoever.
Of course. Somebody has to do it. In this country, it's the executive branch with that role.
Welcome to the real world.
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You're a typical authoritarian. The World is full of your type.
Of course the world is filled with my type. Without my type we would never have become civilized.
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And BTW how in the hell do you know what their order are???? Have you seen the orders??? They said "capture" as well???? Share your knowledge with us????
Have you not been reading the coverage? These have always been kill or capture orders.
Of course. Somebody has to do it. In this country, it's the executive branch with that role.
Welcome to the real world.
Of course the world is filled with my type. Without my type we would never have become civilized.
Yes you're a very brave keyboard warrior.
So you can stop trying to compare this with justified police killings, and telling us about the secret orders you know nothing about talking about "capture" as well.
You think the the President can kill US citizens without oversight. Period.
Actually, I'm a West Point Grad and I have had bullets fired at me in anger more than once. So, I'm more than merely a keyboard type.
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So you can stop trying to compare this with justified police killings, and telling us about the secret orders you know nothing about talking about "capture" as well.
Sorry, I cannot comply. Your hand ringing generates no obligation by me to pretend you hold a valid position.
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You think the the President can kill US citizens without oversight. Period.
Nonsense.
I believe that the president has the executive responsibility to defend out nation, and that sometimes it includes targeting people to be captured or killed. Like any other law enforcement person on the planet.
There is always oversight. But because reality does not give a good god damn about your sensitive feeling, sometimes that oversight must be after the fact.
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